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Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer #2803564
01/18/19 01:31 PM
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I am looking for opinions..

What Stage piano works best for combining onboard sounds with VST’s and controlling them in a live situation?

First and foremost, the instrument needs a good keybed and good onboard sounds..
As its a live controller, the interface needs to offer real time controll of both onboard as vst parameters
Both external and internal sounds need to sound as a single performance

The vst’s are not as much for the piano sounds, but also for all those other natural and synthy sounds

So far it looks like these instruments fit that bill..
-Roland RD2000
-Roland RD800
-Yamaha CP88
-yamaha CP4
-kurzweil Forte
-Nord stage
-kawai MP11se
-kawai MP7SE
-Dexibell S9

So what are peoples experiences with these..

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Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2803636
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Any board which allows you to program in user sounds that are a combination of internal sounds and Program Changes for external sounds will work "for combining onboard sounds with VST’s" but you narrow things down with "and controlling them in a live situation...the interface needs to offer real time controll of both onboard as vst parameters". Off the top of my head, I'd say that knocks the CP4 and CP88 out of contention. If you are enticed by Yamaha, look at the Montage 8.

Another board to add to your consideration list could be the Korg Kronos.

Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: anotherscott] #2803968
01/19/19 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Any board which allows you to program in user sounds that are a combination of internal sounds and Program Changes for external sounds will work "for combining onboard sounds with VST’s" but you narrow things down with "and controlling them in a live situation...the interface needs to offer real time controll of both onboard as vst parameters". Off the top of my head, I'd say that knocks the CP4 and CP88 out of contention. If you are enticed by Yamaha, look at the Montage 8.

Another board to add to your consideration list could be the Korg Kronos.


I think i agree with you on the cp4 and cp88, the midi parts are only reachable trough menu diving... which kills a lot of the potential.. i was hoping the cp88 would be better, but after diving into the manual, it is as feared, even worse.. its a global setting..

I just sold my Kronos, actually both of them, as i am up for a change.. and i wanted a better more realistic piano action..

Where it comes to montage8 , i own a modx for traveling light, could work.. but its huge and heavy...

The kawai’s while probably best feeling and sounding, have their controll interface to high... which would end up with my upper keyboard way to high for my old arms.. its the main reason i sold the kronos..


Leaving me with a shortlist of 2 keys.. Roland RD2000 and Nord Stage 3... its a battle of better keyfeel vs better sound.... and better controll over external sounds vs better controll over local sounds..

Black vs Red... €2000 vs €3500


The only otheroption left is a kawai vpc1..
But i don’t think i can live witouth hardware sounds..

Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2804001
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Hahaha. I look at similar problems and don't know what to do.

The Roland has a great keybed but I don't find the sounds or UI very inspiring.

The Montage8 has a great Synth keybed. Inspiring sounds and UI. Heavy and expensive.

The MODX has a decent lightweight keybed. Largely shares sounds and UI with Montage, but sounds are lower-fi to my ears. Great value.

Nord Stage nice sounds and ecosystem but I don't love the keybed. Expensive.

Ideally I would just get the Montage8 and New Moog1 and call it a day.

Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2804039
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Physis K4 has excellent qualities for this:

Physis K4 website

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Look at all those sliders and knobs----perfect for the role. If you go to the zoom in option in the below image, you'll see what I mean.

k4 zoom image

Last edited by Doug M.; 01/19/19 03:37 PM.

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Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2804066
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I would substitute the MP7se for the 11se on your list. Lighter, $1000 less, 256 onboard sounds ( compared to 40) including Kawai's best pianos, and four zone midi controller. Do you need more? Assignable sliders, I believe ( not present on the 11se), great build quality and reasonably connective. Key action compared to the 11? Like an upright compared to a grand. Very playable, IMO


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Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2804112
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Originally Posted by Bachus
I think i agree with you on the cp4 and cp88, the midi parts are only reachable trough menu diving... which kills a lot of the potential.. i was hoping the cp88 would be better, but after diving into the manual, it is as feared, even worse.. its a global setting.

I don't think it's global,m I think the MIDI zones settings are part of the settings that can be stored independtly fopr each Live Set.

Something that makes it a little better than I'd originally thought is that there's a feature that lets you use a section's knobs as VST controls whenever that section is not active. So, f or example, the EP section's knobs could affect the EP sound when you're playing an internal EP sound, but can send MIDI CC to your VST when you're not playing an EP sound. I don't think you can alter what CC a control sends, but you can remap things on your receiving side. It's still obvioulss\y not top tier controller functionality, but may be good enough for some setups.

Re: Stage piano + mainstage/camelot/gigperformer [Re: Bachus] #2804113
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I’ve had a long line of hardware based keyboards and recently sold my Kronos 88 for an RD-2000 plus software. I couldn’t be happier with the action and control that the RD provides.


Using: RD-2000, Logic Pro X, Omnisphere, Keyscape, Komplete 10, Garritan CFX Lite, Arturia V, u-he Diva, OP-X, 27” Retina iMac

Sold: Kronos 88, Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif 8, KX88, TX802, Oberheim: Modular 8 Voice, OBXa, OB8, KX88, Korg: T3, MS20, Prophet 5, Roland D50, Rhodes Stage 73

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