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Re: YAMAHA CP88
Marko in Boston #2802688 01/16/19 12:22 PM
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According to this document (page 5):

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The Yamaha Natural Wood X keyboard features the same action and three-sensor configuration as Graded Hammer 3X keyboards, which accurately senses and interprets the behavior of the keyboard for a response that feels very similar to that of a grand piano.



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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Rychubil
Yamaha official specs says:

CP73 - Balanced Hammer Standard keyboard, matte black keytops
Montage 88 - Balanced Hammer Effect Keyboard
almost this same

CP88 - NW-GH (Natural Wood Graded Hammer) keyboard: synthetic ebony and ivory keytops
CP40 - Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys).
this same



CP40 - 88-key Graded Hammer (GH) keyboard

CP4 has the 88-key Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys)

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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Macsaint777
As for whether the P515 is triple sensor, they won't say. I've asked them to get back with me on that - but to my fingers, it doesn't seem to quite as fast of a response, or let me trigger notes without raising the key a bit.

Just strike a note (without sustain pedal), and see if you can lift and restrike/retrigger the note without lifting the key so high that the previously struck note goes silent first. If you can do that, it has 3 sensors. If you can't, it doesn't (or if it does, it ain't working!).


Another way might be to use pianoteq's velocity curve wizard. it tells you whether your keyboard action is triple sensor or dual sensor.

It would be quite embarrassing if Yamaha's mid to high end action (NWX), was only dual sensor.

Pretty sure NWX is triple sensor. perhaps the cp88 has a better triple sensor implementation?



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Re: YAMAHA CP88
Marko in Boston #2802697 01/16/19 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by Rychubil
Yamaha official specs says:

CP73 - Balanced Hammer Standard keyboard, matte black keytops
Montage 88 - Balanced Hammer Effect Keyboard
almost this same

CP88 - NW-GH (Natural Wood Graded Hammer) keyboard: synthetic ebony and ivory keytops
CP40 - Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys).
this same



CP40 - 88-key Graded Hammer (GH) keyboard

CP4 has the 88-key Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys)


Yes, should be CP4 instead CP40 - my mistake.


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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Rychubil
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by Rychubil
Yamaha official specs says:

CP73 - Balanced Hammer Standard keyboard, matte black keytops
Montage 88 - Balanced Hammer Effect Keyboard
almost this same

CP88 - NW-GH (Natural Wood Graded Hammer) keyboard: synthetic ebony and ivory keytops
CP40 - Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys).
this same



CP40 - 88-key Graded Hammer (GH) keyboard

CP4 has the 88-key Natural Wood Graded Hammer (NW-GH) keyboard with Synthetic Ivory Keytops (with real-wood white keys)


Yes, should be CP4 instead CP40 - my mistake.



No worries. Just in case some newbies on the forum saw that and got excited. grin

Re: YAMAHA CP88
Macsaint777 #2802748 01/16/19 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Macsaint777

The memory in these is not user accessible, but will be used by Yamaha to install periodic updates which will come in the form of OS updates, mainly including new sounds.

That's too bad. I would love to be able to delete unwanted voices and install what I want.

I'm a little surprised that there are only 57 voices. Yamaha is falling far behind the latest competition on that spec. Maybe the quality of the samples will somewhat makeup for the lack of voices. I'm shaking my head looking at the instrument sounds that are absent.

Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by halherta

It would be quite embarrassing if Yamaha's mid to high end action (NWX), was only dual sensor.

Pretty sure NWX is triple sensor. perhaps the cp88 has a better triple sensor implementation?


Read this: http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article...ds/digitalpianos/p_series/p-80/330/6575/

Yamaha only emphasizes the third sensor on the NW-GH and on the GH3, but not on the other actions, including the NWX. There is also no reference to the number of sensors on Yamaha's web pages that describe GrandTouch action used in CLP-685/75. Does the GrandTouch use three sensors? As anyone that has opened these DPs confirmed the actual number of sensors?

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Marko in Boston #2802752 01/16/19 03:55 PM
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NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

GH (known also as GHE)- basic Graded Hammer Action (2 sensors), without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3 - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3X - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors and escapement "click" feeling simulation
NW-GH - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys
NWX - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, with escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys

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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

I suspect it has three sensors. But what is your source?

Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

I suspect it has three sensors. But what is your source?


Playing experience. The action allows to repeat the note without muting the sound.


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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

GH (known also as GHE)- basic Graded Hammer Action (2 sensors), without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3 - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3X - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors and escapement "click" feeling simulation
NW-GH - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys
NWX - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, with escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys


This seems correct...

Mind telling us the source of your information?

Re: YAMAHA CP88
Marko in Boston #2802758 01/16/19 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by R111
I'm a little surprised that there are only 57 voices. Yamaha is falling far behind the latest competition on that spec. Maybe the quality of the samples will somewhat makeup for the lack of voices. I'm shaking my head looking at the instrument sounds that are absent.



I was too at first, but then I thought it kind of makes sense. Yamaha is putting this out there as a "stage piano" intended to be just that. "CP73 and CP88 stage pianos feature a wide range of grand piano, upright piano, electric piano and keyboard sounds..." If If you need more look at the Montage. Maybe same with Korg SV1 and Korg Kronos. I think we have come accustomed to tons of voices loaded into these stage pianos that blur the line of being a workstation ( ie. RD2000 with 1100 voices). At the end of the day I really don't need my "stage piano" to do a dog bark, gun shot, telephone ring, glass breaking, or bird chirping.

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Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

GH (known also as GHE)- basic Graded Hammer Action (2 sensors), without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3 - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3X - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors and escapement "click" feeling simulation
NW-GH - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys
NWX - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, with escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys


This seems correct...

Mind telling us the source of your information?


https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsinergiamusic.es%2Fblog%2Ftipos-de-teclados-en-pianos-digitales-yamaha%2F


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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by R111
I'm a little surprised that there are only 57 voices. Yamaha is falling far behind the latest competition on that spec. Maybe the quality of the samples will somewhat makeup for the lack of voices. I'm shaking my head looking at the instrument sounds that are absent.



I was too at first, but then I thought it kind of makes sense. Yamaha is putting this out there as a "stage piano" intended to be just that. "CP73 and CP88 stage pianos feature a wide range of grand piano, upright piano, electric piano and keyboard sounds..." If If you need more look at the Montage. Maybe same with Korg SV1 and Korg Kronos. I think we have come accustomed to tons of voices loaded into these stage pianos that blur the line of being a workstation ( ie. RD2000 with 1100 voices). At the end of the day I really don't need my "stage piano" to do a dog bark, gun shot, telephone ring, glass breaking, or bird chirping.


I'm with you on the silly sound effects, but there are a lot of keyboardists who don't care about workstations, but just want flexibility of sound. All else being equal, more instruments is more attractive, and may spare a musician from having to buy another keyboard or from having to wire up a computer.

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Originally Posted by pawelsz
Originally Posted by Bachus

Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

GH (known also as GHE)- basic Graded Hammer Action (2 sensors), without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3 - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3X - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors and escapement "click" feeling simulation
NW-GH - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys
NWX - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, with escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys


This seems correct...

Mind telling us the source of your information?


https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsinergiamusic.es%2Fblog%2Ftipos-de-teclados-en-pianos-digitales-yamaha%2F


It is likely correct. But I guess Yamaha needs to update their own website with information from non-official blogs ;-)

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Originally Posted by pawelsz
Originally Posted by Bachus

Originally Posted by pawelsz
NWX has three sensors. It's just a NW-GH key action with added the escapement feeling feature.

GH (known also as GHE)- basic Graded Hammer Action (2 sensors), without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3 - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation
GH3X - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors and escapement "click" feeling simulation
NW-GH - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, without escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys
NWX - Graded Hammer Action with 3 sensors, with escapement "click" feeling simulation, with wooden white keys


This seems correct...

Mind telling us the source of your information?


https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsinergiamusic.es%2Fblog%2Ftipos-de-teclados-en-pianos-digitales-yamaha%2F


It is likely correct. But I guess Yamaha needs to update their own website with information from non-official blogs ;-)

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Wow - I love all those switches (and yes, it looks very Nord like!). However, as soon as I heard it, it just has that clinically clean digital piano sound. It sounds good, but hasn't got that "just walk up and record it, silly!" sound of a VST.......or a Nord.

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Originally Posted by Rychubil
Yamaha official specs says:

CP73 - Balanced Hammer Standard keyboard, matte black keytops
Montage 88 - Balanced Hammer Effect Keyboard
almost this same


Whoa there, is it actually the same?

Balanced Hammer *STANDARD* suggests to me this is a GHS action without grading, not a GH/GHE as with the Montage? That would be a huge difference IMO.


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Originally Posted by Macsaint777
The CP73 has balanced (equal across all keys) hammer action, and is using the same action in the Montage 8, minus the aftertouch.

Where did you get this? Yamaha calls this CP73 action BHS (Balanced Hammer Standard) which doesn’t seem to live up to the Montage’s BHE (Balanced Hammer Effect) quality.
Actually, the CP73’s BHS sounds like it’s in the same basic league as their often plagued and clunky GHS (Graded Hammer Standard).

John, I sincerely hope you’re right about the CP73 having a Montage quality action, but BHS sounds like, well, standard.

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