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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802267
01/15/19 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cmb13
You read a book per day? And play piano and visit multiple forums?? How do you possibly have so much time?

Well, I read very quickly. I haven't measured myself recently, but I used to be around 1600wpm. One of the things that I think children are best able to learn, besides losing one's foreign accent wink is learning to read more quickly. I entirely blame my current reading speed on a box of SRA cards my teacher had for which we would get little rewards, including gold stars and stickers if we could reach ever higher colors (does anyone else educated in the US in the 70's remember these things? - each card had on the front a passage of a certain reading difficulty and on the back a list of reading comprehension question. You had to read the front side given the time limit and try to answer the back side - 80% correct on back would get us a gold star sticker on the wall chart next to our name and a few such would progress us to the next color up in the box):
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and also a rivalry between myself and a classmate named David to each be higher than the other in the color of our cards. Due to the rivalry, we both finished the entire box by the end of the year - which today I know was a reading speed around 1000 wpm or so. That and a few more incidents where I had to force myself to read fast (one was that our public library didn't allow children back then to check out books from the "adult" section, so one had to read the entire book in one sitting "racing the clock" against when dad would come and get me from the library wink ).

Don't think all this speeding reading is put to good use with piano books or weighty works of literature, though! Most of my reading consumption is taken up with sci-fi/fantasy cruft and other pulp wink Alas... whome

Originally Posted by cmb13
Retired?

I wish! LOL laugh But maybe if I ever accomplish a decent performance of my goal piece, I will retire in celebration! grin


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802274
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1600 WPM????? That's about 27 wps. Incredible. And comprehend it all? What a gift. I never learned to speed read; seems like a nice skill to have.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802276
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Being able to read that fast sounds cool but then again I wouldn’t want to blaze through a good book in a couple of hours, I like to savor a good read.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802279
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Originally Posted by cmb13
1600 WPM????? That's about 27 wps. Incredible. And comprehend it all? What a gift. I never learned to speed read; seems like a nice skill to have.

Well, as I said, that was a while back when I last tested (probably close to 20 yrs ago) and it was sort of under ideal circumstances with material that is not that meaty (for example, most SAT, GRE, etc. reading passages are meaty), and probably achieved a comprehension of 80%. However, personally, I think reading w/ under a 90+% comprehension is a loss, so I usually read slower. If I were to guess, my typical reading speed for even non-meaty material (say a scifi/fantasy novel not written by Gene Wolfe wink ) is down around 1200, and lower for meaty. I find the difference between 1200 and 1600 to be pretty steep and it goes vertical entirely above 1600 smile. I don't believe speed reading for adults exists. It's sort of BS once you are over 15-16 yo. There are some tricks, and I don't think they can be learned and made automatic as an adult. For example, I read most of a line at one time since shifting your focus and refocusing takes time. I do this automatically now. If for some strange reason, I had to relearn to refocus constantly, I don't think I could retrain myself at my age - I might be able to do it for a bit refocusing multiple times on a line, but the moment I'd forget, I'd go right back to focusing only once or twice on a given line, depending on its length. I seriously doubt a refocuser could similarly learn to not refocus. Those are the things which kids have a huge advantage over adults. Someone should come up with a manual of things for kids to learn which will be a heck of a lot harder when they are adults. Reading should go on that list. (And of course piano! grin )


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"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802660
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We had SRA and I would have loved them, but our teacher only let us do one per day, which kind of defeated the purpose.

Last summer when I was so ill, I appear to have had a small stroke as a result of a severe allergic reaction to MRI dye (we can’t confirm that, as we now know I’m violently allergic to MRI dye). Afterward lost my ability to read; even trying to speak complex ideas gave me small seizures..

Thanks to brain plasticity I’ve almost completely recovered, but for months afterward, reading was very difficult and not enjoyable, torturous for a confirmed bibliophile like myself. But last month I randomly ran across a good deal on speed reading software, which has helped me regain not only my ability to read, but subsequently a lot of my reading speed as well.

Just offered as anecdotal evidence that adults still have brain plasticity around reading.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: tangleweeds] #2802681
01/16/19 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tangleweeds
We had SRA and I would have loved them, but our teacher only let us do one per day, which kind of defeated the purpose.

Yeah that sort of sucks. I loved those SRA things. But back in the 70's, no such thing as Internet so I couldn't have gotten my parents to go on Amazon.com and buy more of this stuff.

My teacher was very progressive for her time. I don't know if she was following the SRA instructions or just made things up on the fly, but she let us do more then one as long as we got all the reading comprehension questions on the back of the card correct. If we got one wrong, we had to stop. If we made had too few answers right (maybe it was more than one time, can't remember), we were sent back to the previous level/color. If we did well on a few cards, we got to go to the next level. That combined with the gold start stickers on the wall chart with our names was 70's-era gamification! grin

Originally Posted by tangleweeds
Last summer when I was so ill, I appear to have had a small stroke as a result of a severe allergic reaction to MRI dye (we can’t confirm that, as we now know I’m violently allergic to MRI dye). Afterward lost my ability to read; even trying to speak complex ideas gave me small seizures..

Thanks to brain plasticity I’ve almost completely recovered, but for months afterward, reading was very difficult and not enjoyable, torturous for a confirmed bibliophile like myself. But last month I randomly ran across a good deal on speed reading software, which has helped me regain not only my ability to read, but subsequently a lot of my reading speed as well.

Just offered as anecdotal evidence that adults still have brain plasticity around reading.

Wow! That is a very encouraging story and I am glad to hear you are doing much better now. And now you need to avoid all dyed items as if it were peanut butter (re: people w/ peanut allergies)!

I just didn't think there was that much plasticity to learn things that require your body to respond automatically and it is good to hear I am mistaken.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2802683
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We had SRA when I was in school. The last name of the teacher for the class was Sogge, so we called it Sogge's Reading Academy. That's about as much as I remember of it. laugh


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: tangleweeds] #2802713
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Originally Posted by tangleweeds
We had SRA and I would have loved them, but our teacher only let us do one per day, which kind of defeated the purpose.

Last summer when I was so ill, I appear to have had a small stroke as a result of a severe allergic reaction to MRI dye (we can’t confirm that, as we now know I’m violently allergic to MRI dye). Afterward lost my ability to read; even trying to speak complex ideas gave me small seizures..

Thanks to brain plasticity I’ve almost completely recovered, but for months afterward, reading was very difficult and not enjoyable, torturous for a confirmed bibliophile like myself. But last month I randomly ran across a good deal on speed reading software, which has helped me regain not only my ability to read, but subsequently a lot of my reading speed as well.

Just offered as anecdotal evidence that adults still have brain plasticity around reading.


That's really amazing to hear about your recovery. I'll bet to some degree a reduction in swelling at the site of the injury accounted for your recovery, as much as plasticity. Just a conjecture.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803093
01/17/19 12:07 PM
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We had an early version of SRA in my parochial school fifth grade class, way back around 1963-4. I hadn't thought about it until these references, but it was the first thing that really made learning fun for me.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803239
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I just finished Great Pianists On Piano Playing which is about 100 yrs old and im in the middle of the Chang fundamentals book. Interesting reads.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803261
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I enjoyed this one quite a bit:

Moscow Nights:
The Van Cliburn Story-How One Man and His Piano Transformed the Cold War

by Nigel Cliff

Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: dobro] #2803280
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Originally Posted by monkeeys
I just finished Great Pianists On Piano Playing which is about 100 yrs old and im in the middle of the Chang fundamentals book. Interesting reads.


I have the Great Pianists on Piano Playing and really enjoyed it!


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: chopin_r_us] #2803321
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Full list updated with titles in Italics 1/17/19


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803324
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Full list updated with titles in Italics 1/17/19

Wow. Magic. How are you able to update a post from more than 10 mins ago?


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803336
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I didn't see Men, Women, and Pianos: a social history.

It's a big book, but Loesser's writing (for a history) is quirky and fun. https://www.amazon.com/Men-Women-Pi...sr=8-1&keywords=men+women+and+pianos

Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: dumka1] #2803343
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Originally Posted by dumka1
I enjoyed this one quite a bit:

Moscow Nights:
The Van Cliburn Story-How One Man and His Piano Transformed the Cold War

by Nigel Cliff

I just realized I had that on Kindle, and got totally sucked in. Very enjoyable writing, and a great glimpse into the Cold War era.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2803405
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Full list updated with titles in Italics 1/17/19

Wow. Magic. How are you able to update a post from more than 10 mins ago?



Permission from the moderators for that post in particular.


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Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: cmb13] #2803453
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Originally Posted by cmb13
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Full list updated with titles in Italics 1/17/19

Wow. Magic. How are you able to update a post from more than 10 mins ago?

Permission from the moderators for that post in particular.

Yep. Magic. wink


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: tangleweeds] #2803467
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Originally Posted by tangleweeds
Originally Posted by dumka1
I enjoyed this one quite a bit:

Moscow Nights:
The Van Cliburn Story-How One Man and His Piano Transformed the Cold War

by Nigel Cliff

I just realized I had that on Kindle, and got totally sucked in. Very enjoyable writing, and a great glimpse into the Cold War era.

Yes, I couldn't put it down (although I found the style a bit overdramatic at times).

Re: Nonfiction Piano Books [Re: dumka1] #2803662
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Originally Posted by dumka1
Originally Posted by tangleweeds
Originally Posted by dumka1
I enjoyed this one quite a bit:

Moscow Nights:
The Van Cliburn Story-How One Man and His Piano Transformed the Cold War

by Nigel Cliff

I just realized I had that on Kindle, and got totally sucked in. Very enjoyable writing, and a great glimpse into the Cold War era.

Yes, I couldn't put it down (although I found the style a bit overdramatic at times).


I also enjoyed the book and got a copy for my teacher, who is from Russia and was trained there.


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