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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: prout] #2802392
01/15/19 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by prout
Very 'cool' Beemer. Thanks for that. All piano dealers and rebuilders should be offering those mats to clients. Whole new market opportunity.

Cheers.

Yes for sure .So glad I do not have underfloor heating !

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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: almo82] #2802393
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I have my new piano in a room with a wood-burning stove. The stove is not in line of sight with the piano and I have a ceiling fan to circulate the room's air. For the concerns about heat from the stove I'm not sure how this is any different than my baseboard heater (the alternate heating source, also across the room) or forced air heating. I don't keep the room heated all the time which I realize would be best for the piano but I can't afford it, I only heat when I'm using the room. Winter temperatures in the room are usually at mid-50s (unheated) and this rises to around 70 the few days/week I heat. Winters are short here, only a few months of any heating each year.

I live at the coast so the humidity tends toward too high (usually in the mid-50s to low 60s) rather than too low and using the woodstove doesn't seem to have much impact on the hygrometer readings.

The other concern I have is increased particulates in the room from the stove. I mitigate by keeping the piano closed most of the time the stove is operating.

All this may shorten the life of the piano, but it is what it is! I think a piano is ultimately a depreciating consumable, like a car, sadly. It'd be best for your car to leave it in the garage all the time, never take it on any bumpy roads, but sometimes that's what you want to use it for!

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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: K300] #2802429
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Originally Posted by K300
I live at the coast so the humidity tends toward too high (usually in the mid-50s to low 60s) rather than too low and using the woodstove doesn't seem to have much impact on the hygrometer readings.


My concern with this would be if you get condensation on the strings and other metal parts when the room is unheated. Even a small amount of water is very very bad for a piano.


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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: Beemer] #2802438
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Originally Posted by Beemer
Originally Posted by prout
I find it interesting that we all have a phobia (with some validity) about fireplaces and pianos, but ignore the fact that radiant heating is an increasingly common form in new construction of houses and especially condos - a gas or electric furnace heating a liquid forced through inlaid pipes in the floors. Your piano sits on top of those pipes and 'sees' the heat source. There is no escape. Shouldn't we be talking about that as well?

It is the case that a rug can insulate the floor, reducing the efficiency of the heating by converting the radiation method to conduction and ultimately convection, but why would you do that? Wooden floors are much more common.


See here:
https://countrywidepianos.com/product/grand-piano-heat-protection-mat/

Ian


Very interesting product.


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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: almo82] #2802458
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My concern with this would be if you get condensation on the strings and other metal parts when the room is unheated. Even a small amount of water is very very bad for a piano.


Thank you for the reply. So it sounds like it's not so much the wood-burning stove, more the whole set up. There's not much I can do about the humidity. I can't heat the room full time, the 1950s house has no wall insulation and heating it would cost several hundred a month. I guess I could run a dehumidifier, but they're also expensive to keep running well enough to counteract the humid air coming in from outdoors (and I just read that they only work well in warmer temps). Fortunately I don't have an heirloom instrument.

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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: K300] #2802467
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Check under worst case conditions to see if you're getting condensation on metal objects in the room. If not, it's OK. The potential problem is that the interior air is more humid than that outside. Fire makes water, and if any combustion products are getting in, you could have very high humidity. When it cools, the water comes out of it.


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Re: Fireplace near grand [Re: almo82] #2802471
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Super suggestion! I'll do that.

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