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Production Grand Compact Question #2801197
01/12/19 11:26 AM
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I asked this question in a post in another thread about various VSTs, but I'm afraid that it might get buried there. So, here it is again.

In trying out the demo of Production Grand Compact (from here), before deciding to buy while it's still at 50% off. However, I came across a most peculiar behavior. Specifically on key C3, when you strike it with moderate force and no pedal, the tone repeats (albeit much quieter) about 1 second after striking the key, as if it's a distant echo. Strike the key with either minimal or lots of force and this behavior disappears.

I have no way of trying any adjacent keys to see if this affects an entire range of keys because they're disabled in the demo. C3 is the only enabled key in the demo that exhibits this behavior.

I've never come across this kind of thing in any of my VSTs before. Is there some kind of adjustment that gets rid of, or at least mitigates, this behavior? And.....most importantly ..... does this happen with any other keys with the full product?

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Re: Production Grand Compact Question [Re: newbert] #2801249
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Does it happen if you trigger the note via software or a midi file, or only when you play the note on your piano? It's possible that your piano is triggering a double-strike?

Can you b run. MIDI-OX or MIDI Monitor and confirm that your piano is only sending a single note-on to the PC when the double strike happens?


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Re: Production Grand Compact Question [Re: newbert] #2801270
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There's a rapid rebound effect on one of the medium velocity samples on C3 - it's so subtle that I've never noticed it before and wouldn't have done, had you not mentioned a problem on C3 - you really have to listen out for it in isolation of all other sound. Also, it's certainly not one second after the initial attack. Its a few milliseconds. This rebounding effect happens on acoustic pianos sometimes. It is identifiable on some solo classical piano records that I have. Sometimes much more pronounced than on this sample.

But nothing happens after one second of striking the note so its probably different to the effect you're talking about which doesn't happen on my PG compact.


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Re: Production Grand Compact Question [Re: Gombessa] #2801277
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Does it happen if you trigger the note via software or a midi file, or only when you play the note on your piano? It's possible that your piano is triggering a double-strike?.......


I'd considered that possibility, so I tried the same thing with my existing VSTs on my VPC1 and it does not happen with them - only with Production Grand Compact demo.

Thanks.


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Re: Production Grand Compact Question [Re: toddy] #2801279
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Originally Posted by toddy
There's a rapid rebound effect on one of the medium velocity samples on C3 - it's so subtle that I've never noticed it before and wouldn't have done, had you not mentioned a problem on C3 - you really have to listen out for it in isolation of all other sound. Also, it's certainly not one second after the initial attack. Its a few milliseconds. This rebounding effect happens on acoustic pianos sometimes. It is identifiable on some solo classical piano records that I have. Sometimes much more pronounced than on this sample.

But nothing happens after one second of striking the note so its probably different to the effect you're talking about which doesn't happen on my PG compact.


Yes - I would imagine that, when actually playing as opposed to just striking individual keys in isolation, it might not be noticeable. But the demo is limited pretty much to only striking individual keys.

I assume you have the full version of Production Grand Compact? If so, does this happen with any other keys? And is it now noticeable on C3 to you when you play? (If so, I'm sorry that I highlighted it.)

How do you like Production Grand Compact otherwise?

Thanks.


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I think its pretty well sampled. There are tonal differences from one note to the next but that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. I prefer it to Garratan CFX lite for brightness and dynamism. Its more inspiring to me.


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Re: Production Grand Compact Question [Re: newbert] #2801359
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I agree with toddy overall. You should search the posts here for a some people's views on the PVCG and a few quirks.

For $30 I have a lot of fun with this from time to time and would buy it again.


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