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I've always found with my playing that it sounds better without the VST actually. Or onboard sounds. And with the power button switched off as well, for some reason. We've found the percussionist! 
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I've always found with my playing that it sounds better without the VST actually. Or onboard sounds. And with the power button switched off as well, for some reason.
I don't even touch the keys! Air piano!
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Hence, playing with pianoteq over very good headphones is the closest I get to "reality" on a DP.
In terms of sound alone, I think Pianoteq is the least realistic of anything currently available. Pianoteq is very very sensitive to the velocity curve used and the sound reproduction mechanism (headphones, monitor speakers etc.). There is no such thing as 'one Pianoteq' sound and that is why a lot of people simply love it or simply hate it. Osho
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That's not why. Fake sound is why.
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That's not why. Fake sound is why. Well I am super glad I like fake sounds then cause PTQ is the bees knees 😉
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Count me in for the party  I can possibly agree that *eventually* when played with a great piano action and through some (imaginary) great speaker placement with a lot of vibration and playability, Pianoteq might be realistic, but just playing it on headphones is close to being the most unrealistic piano experience. IMHO OK, if we are all be counted in and out, then count me out! Pianoteq is the only reason I am still playing piano (only slight exaggeration) as the native sounds of my FP30 put me off so much that if I hadn't come across Pianoteq when I was searching for alternatives, my entire piano learning experiment might have come to an untimely early end after only two weeks! So, I count 3-1 so far  What other Pianoteq fans will join me in pushing back against the Horde? same here fp-30+PTQ.... i could not play otherwise... just something aboutthe reponse as somebody said... b Victory is in sight! I got round to trying out my FP50 again because of all the criticism over FP30, which can't sound so different. Got used to it again quite quickly; the best part is the superb resonances which are good stereo. Now, if I could separate those from the FP sound and add them to Pianoteq . . . .but yes. FP50's still good to go. Anyone buying? 
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That's not why. Fake sound is why. I don't know. YMMV. Here's a teaser for the Pianoteq Steingraeber piano: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0HIj8mj_IDoes this sound "fake" to people? Now I certainly don't claim to have perfect ears. But I played a Steingraber grand in a church some weeks ago, and earlier today I spent some time with a wonderful Steingraeber upright. To my ears this Pianoteq version sounds pretty believable. Is it as rich and deep as the grand or the upright? No. That's also because of the highly imperfect transducers I'm using (right now some good headphones), which can't replicate the way a good grand piano emits sound. In addition, each and every acoustic instrument has its own signature, which will always be different from a modelled piano. But for what it is, this sounds pretty good to me, at least.
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3-4! b
Victory is in sight! jamiecw makes it 3-5! Now come on. More Pianoteq people speak up. We have to drown out the PT naysayers out there
across the stone, deathless piano performances "Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano "Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person "Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.
BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that.
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Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.
BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that. Curious - did PTQ not offer the current trial version? Unless they didn’t I see no reason to have had any money spent on it..
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Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.
BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that. Curious - did PTQ not offer the current trial version? Unless they didn’t I see no reason to have had any money spent on it.. PTQ does offer a trial version. thickfingers mentioned he is using it. It's because of the trial version that I am a loyal PTQ user. And it's because of a lack of a trial version that I haven't tried any sampled VSTs and am not even sure what they sound like apart from the videos (well except for my FP30, which is mostly sampled).
across the stone, deathless piano performances "Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano "Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person "Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Same here, I too would have liked to have tried the Ravenscroft and Garitan but not at the risk of getting something I can’t put to test and be out a couple hundred bucks.
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So, I count 3-1 so far What other Pianoteq fans will join me in pushing back against the Horde? 3-2... Similar experience, from a P115, to a YDP163, then an FP30 & laslty an AP470 none made me enjoy listening to myself play..PTQ on the other hand & the control it permits me is what makes me go back every day to practice and play. 3-4! b
Victory is in sight! jamiecw makes it 3-5! Now come on. More Pianoteq people speak up. We have to drown out the PT naysayers out there You counted jamiecw’s vote twice. That’s considered cheating so your two votes are disqualified. 3:2
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