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Re: Fifth finger [Re: shadighaffari] #2800840
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Originally Posted by shadighaffari
.Unfortunately most teachers think it is not a problem playing with a curled and angular shaped fifth finger, and they can't realise the problem.

Do you have a teacher?


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: bennevis] #2800879
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Yes, once a week I hv an Armenian teacher, but he says nothing is wrong with yr left hand fifth finger. That's partly why I searched for an answer on the internet for my question, and I found this site. Many years ago when as a complete beginner I started at the age of 28 to study the piano, the teachers used to advised pupils to play with a round hand as if holding a tennis ball, and I used to play on the tip of that finger, but somehow I saw I was very uncomfortable, then as years passed I realised that I should play with the fleshy cushion like part of the fingers and not the tip behind the nails, but unfortunately I can't manage that with that left fifth finger, the only way for that is consciously making an effort to straighten it and laying it flat on the key. For that reason I was so depressed that I quit for five years playing the piano then from two years ago I started again. I wonder if other people hv ever had this problem in one of their fifth fingers, I think I am the only person. I want it so much to be like my other fifth finger, but it is not.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: shadighaffari] #2800901
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Originally Posted by shadighaffari
Yes, once a week I hv an Armenian teacher, but he says nothing is wrong with yr left hand fifth finger.

I think he's right. There's a lot of normal variation.
Why don't you post a photo of your hand and fingers here and let us see?

Remember, no-one has perfect symmetry on both sides. For instance, my right thumb curves inwards when hanging loose, unlike my left thumb, but I have no problem using it - for anything.

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Many years ago when as a complete beginner I started at the age of 28 to study the piano, the teachers used to advised pupils to play with a round hand as if holding a tennis ball, and I used to play on the tip of that finger, but somehow I saw I was very uncomfortable, then as years passed I realised that I should play with the fleshy cushion like part of the fingers and not the tip behind the nails, but unfortunately I can't manage that with that left fifth finger, the only way for that is consciously making an effort to straighten it and laying it flat on the key. For that reason I was so depressed that I quit for five years playing the piano then from two years ago I started again. I wonder if other people hv ever had this problem in one of their fifth fingers, I think I am the only person. I want it so much to be like my other fifth finger, but it is not.

Everybody is different. Some pianists play with very curved fingers; others play with almost flat fingers. There's nothing wrong with any of them.

I play with the tips of my fingers just behind my nails, except my thumb, unless I'm playing at nearly full stretch (e.g. octaves, because my hands are small). I have to cut my nails very short, otherwise they hit the keys with a click. If you listen carefully to some CD recordings, you can actually hear some fingernail clicking by some pianists who haven't cut their nails short enough (or maybe they can't cut them any shorter).

If your fifth finger doesn't look like this, it's perfectly normal, and you just need to work with it:
https://geelonghandtherapy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/image2-19.jpeg


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: bennevis] #2800926
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Originally Posted by bennevis
If your fifth finger doesn't look like this, it's perfectly normal, and you just need to work with it:
https://geelonghandtherapy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/image2-19.jpeg


My fingers used to do that. It was great for entertaining my friends in school. I still have a bit of trouble with the fifth finger on my left hand doing that on the piano, but I learned how to deal with it, and it has been no disadvantage whatsoever to me as a pianist. It's not great when I try and play the bass though...

We have to work with whatever hands we were born with and make the best of it.

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Re: Fifth finger [Re: shadighaffari] #2800942
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What does your teacher have to say about it? Everyone has a unique hand/finger shape, and most of the time, you figure out a way to work with it. Sometimes, in extreme circumstances, you avoid certain kinds of pieces. But really, a good teacher should be able to give you proper advice.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2800957
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Playing the chromatic scale with fingers 345 is very good for training the fifth finger.

This interests me, but I can't see how you do it. Can you be more specific? I cannot see how you can do this unless you turn the forearm to be almost parallel to the keyboard. Is this what you meant?

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Originally Posted by bennevis
Everybody is different. Some pianists play with very curved fingers; others play with almost flat fingers. There's nothing wrong with any of them.


Yes, but the one cautionary note on flat fingers is that you have to build up the strength to do it. You can't just suddenly start, or you could hurt yourself. Try it a little, rest for a while, see how it feels.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: bennevis] #2801119
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I can take a picture of my left hand, an also right hand, but I don't know how to send it on this site.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: bennevis] #2801124
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I saw the picture they u had sent me, mine the tip isa bent, but the rest of the finger is not straight like in this picture.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: David-G] #2801177
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Originally Posted by David-G
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Playing the chromatic scale with fingers 345 is very good for training the fifth finger.

This interests me, but I can't see how you do it. Can you be more specific? I cannot see how you can do this unless you turn the forearm to be almost parallel to the keyboard. Is this what you meant?

No, forearm position remains normal. Think of it like that: it's your whole arm that moves every finger to it's optimal position right above the key before every keystroke and then the finger just depresses the key with minimal motion and goes up. The arm is responsible for positioning, not the wiggling wrist or stretching fingers. The arm guides the motion.

When you just start practicing I think you can adduct your wrist to help yourself, but with practice the angle of adduction should diminish. I would start slowly and almost non legato.


I think Josh Wright demonstrated it on one of his YouTube videos, but I don't remember on which it was exactly, maybe someone will tell this.

Re: Fifth finger [Re: bennevis] #2802148
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If you write yr email address for me I can send you the picture of my left hand and right hand, but as I don't hv a web page I can't share or send the picture on this site.


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Re: Fifth finger [Re: shadighaffari] #2803293
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Originally Posted by shadighaffari
If you write yr email address for me I can send you the picture of my left hand and right hand, but as I don't hv a web page I can't share or send the picture on this site.

Yes you can! Follow the instructions which you will find in * this thread *.

Re: Fifth finger [Re: David-G] #2803630
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I use my cell phone, I don't use a laptop, so I can only share it on an email address, besides the fact that I don't understand the instructions, as I can't right click on a cellphone.


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