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Faking Classical #2788764
12/07/18 02:34 PM
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I’m an OK jazz, pop, Latin and blues player but pretty bad classical player. What slows me down is reading both clefs.... I’m pretty good reading lead sheets though. Every once in awhile I find myself in a situation where some sort of classical music is requested.
Recently a violinist asked me to accompany her for a wedding ceremony. She gave me the piano accompaniment parts for the Wedding March, Bridal Chorus, Air on the G String and others. I tried to read through at a snails pace and then wrote my own chord chart and I ended up just making up my own part. The violinist was thrilled and wants to hire me again! Luckily she does lots of pop stuff too which is no problema. I’m hoping to find a classical fake book so I can play on the fly and not have analyze the written piano parts. Any recommendations on a classical fake book? Thanks!

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Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2788766
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The classical music fake book

https://amzn.to/2L34FOV

has saved me many a time. exactly what you are looking for. lots of good tunes, ok changes, easy to read, makes you sound like a classical player!


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Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2789485
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Check out The Real Little Classical Fake Book on Amazon, over 600 pieces, I think.

Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2789503
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I have the Hal Leonard Classical Fake book for emergencies. It's come in handy a few times over the years.

2nd Edition Classical Fake Book

Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2789995
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Pianist Corner--triggered.


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Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2790079
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Thanks guys, I went overboard and bought them all on amazon, found them used for cheap. Hopefully one will be good, reviews quite mixed on all of them....
Lucky for me the violin will be taking the lead, if I have some decent chords I'm good to go!

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Why would anyone accept that you play Bach or Mozart without following the Street music.
What are the reasons for using a Fakebook for classical music?

Re: Faking Classical [Re: Manne janne] #2796618
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Originally Posted by Manne janne
Why would anyone accept that you play Bach or Mozart without following the Street music.
What are the reasons for using a Fakebook for classical music?


If you show up to play a wedding and the bride picked something odd like the 3rd movement from Mozart's 3rd Horn Concerto for Bridesmaids. In these situations, it's much easier to use a fake book than to reduce from the full orchestral score, if you can even find the music in a timely manner. In fact, most music used for weddings wasn't written for piano or organ, so either way it's not original but an arrangement.

Your post seems to suggest that this is unacceptable. Why?

Re: Faking Classical [Re: montunoman] #2801105
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For those who need to play the tunes from classical pieces but not the pieces themselves, I get it, it can consume more time than we have to transcribe the tune and make our own arrangement. Its not always so easy.

On the other hand, if you’re playing alll sorts genres except for classical music then it’s a great learning experience to figure out how to extract a tune and harmonise it. It may be slow going in the beginning but everything else it gets easier with more experience.

So taking something by Bach or Beethoven or Chopin or whomever and making up your own arrangement is simply something that’s GREAT to do. We learn a lot in the process, we have to be creative, and we more about a genre might not know that much about.

AND, as has been mentioned, the fakebooks are not always all that great. All fakebooks have their failings, really. Just a question of whether or not we have the time to fix them?

Except for time pressure, I just can’t think of any good reason not to add learning how to add classical repertoire adapted from the original source to one’s repertoire. And a lot of great jazz pianists Will suggest the same in one way or another.

Please be sure to understand I’m not saying classical music has to be played note for note as written. That too is great thing to do for any pianist. But I THINK what’s being discussed getting basics from some piece of music that may not have a lead sheet? Or a different way to say all above is learning new stuff in new styles, however we learn to do it and at whatever pace and level is a good thing. As long as we’re learning.


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