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How would i count the second measure, i 'm including measure after it and before it , in case someone might want to see that,



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Well, what I notice is that since there are 4 beats to a measure …. each one of those triplet notes is on the beat. (2,3,4).


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Originally Posted by dmd
Well, what I notice is that since there are 4 beats to a measure …. each one of those triplet notes is on the beat. (2,3,4).



Well, that the thing , quarter note triplets only get two beats, by definition, the treble clef only contains 3 beats is what is throwing me off...

the triplet starts on the second beat, that is true, but 2 trip let , 3 trip let is how you would count it, ...but its throwing me off with the 4 beat , not sure where it falls on the treble clef


also i forgot to add, the song is in 4/4

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I would say there is an error in the score.

Can you access another source to check the composer's intent?

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It's definitely a mistake.

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Does this phrase or such-like structure occur elsewhere in the piece? If so, compare them and see wherein the error lies.

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The other thing is the second note of triplet should not lie on beat three of the bass clef , isn’t that also incorrect?


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Originally Posted by Jitin
The other thing is the second note of triplet should not lie on beat three of the bass clef , isn’t that also incorrect?


The error is in the triplet sign. The piece is in 4/4, and in the measure in question there are four quarter notes. The only way that triplet sign would be correct is if the first note of the beat were a half note and the chord (C#, E#) would start over the half-note in the left hand, as you correctly state. Then the three quarter notes would be played in the time of two quarter notes.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
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The other thing is the second note of triplet should not lie on beat three of the bass clef , isn’t that also incorrect?


The error is in the triplet sign. The piece is in 4/4, and in the measure in question there are four quarter notes. The only way that triplet sign would be correct is if the first note of the beat were a half note and the chord (C#, E#) would start over the half-note in the left hand, as you correctly state. Then the three quarter notes would be played in the time of two quarter notes.

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Bingo! Makes total sense. I had been looking at this couple days between work and all and thinking of it in my commutes home, I’m glad my understanding was on track

Thanks piano buds


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Question about slurs and accidentals, if an accidental occurs in slur expanding two measures, does the accidental apply in the second measure if it only indicated in the measure prior but not second measure, for a particular note ( let’s say g# and g appear in first and second measure respectively, all part of one slur, would second g be a g#?


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Originally Posted by Jitin
Question about slurs and accidentals, if an accidental occurs in slur expanding two measures, does the accidental apply in the second measure if it only indicated in the measure prior but not second measure, for a particular note ( let’s say g# and g appear in first and second measure respectively, all part of one slur, would second g be a g#?

slur? or do you mean a tie?


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Also this g note is exact same note, not a different g in both consecutive the measures


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Originally Posted by Jitin
Also this g note is exact same note, not a different g in both consecutive the measures

What you describe does not sound like a slur to me.


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Possibly, are there other mistakes in this score besides the incorrectly marked triplet? In m. 5 we have a G# marked in the RH and we get an E7 which makes sense, but the RH has no accidental, giving us a Gnat. Is that dissonance intentional, or an error?

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A Gnat? Could be a bug in the score! laugh


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Originally Posted by FrankCox
A Gnat? Could be a bug in the score! laugh

lol laugh G(nat)

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Originally Posted by Jitin
Question about slurs and accidentals, if an accidental occurs in slur expanding two measures, does the accidental apply in the second measure if it only indicated in the measure prior but not second measure, for a particular note ( let’s say g# and g appear in first and second measure respectively, all part of one slur, would second g be a g#?
If it is a tie, then the accidental applies over the measure (both notes would be G#). The problem, as always, is determining if it is a tie or a slur. Your sense of harmony may (but not always) help you determine the nature of the marking.

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I imagine that Jitlin is thinking about a particular thing in that score. It would probably be useful to get a visual of the part in the score that prompted the question. The sample of only two measures has already shown two errors: the "triplet" that isn't - and what I pointed out about G# in one hand, G(nat) in the other. I imagine that there is more of the same, so that when you play it as written, something sounds off, prompting questions.

This is a guess, of course.

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Originally Posted by keystring
I imagine that Jitlin is thinking about a particular thing in that score. It would probably be useful to get a visual of the part in the score that prompted the question. The sample of only two measures has already shown two errors: the "triplet" that isn't - and what I pointed out about G# in one hand, G(nat) in the other. I imagine that there is more of the same, so that when you play it as written, something sounds off, prompting questions.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Jitin
Also this g note is exact same note, not a different g in both consecutive the measures

What you describe does not sound like a slur to me.
The source you provided avoids the answering the question - Can two notes of the same pitch be slurred? None of the examples provided show this.

To me, the answer is yes. I do it all the time. Gregorian or Anglican chant on the same note is filled with legato slurs. The same can be achieved on the piano. We can easily repeat the same note in a legato manner. The point of the slur is to indicate that the repeated notes are a phrase and therefore have a shape.

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