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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: Zaphod] #2801052
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
I've always found with my playing that it sounds better without the VST actually. Or onboard sounds. And with the power button switched off as well, for some reason.

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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: Zaphod] #2801058
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Originally Posted by Zaphod

I've always found with my playing that it sounds better without the VST actually. Or onboard sounds. And with the power button switched off as well, for some reason.


I don't even touch the keys! Air piano!



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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: johnstaf] #2801225
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by oivavoi
Hence, playing with pianoteq over very good headphones is the closest I get to "reality" on a DP.



In terms of sound alone, I think Pianoteq is the least realistic of anything currently available.

Pianoteq is very very sensitive to the velocity curve used and the sound reproduction mechanism (headphones, monitor speakers etc.). There is no such thing as 'one Pianoteq' sound and that is why a lot of people simply love it or simply hate it.

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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2801238
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That's not why. Fake sound is why.

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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: MacMacMac] #2801242
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
That's not why. Fake sound is why.

Well I am super glad I like fake sounds then cause PTQ is the bees knees 😉

Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: fofig] #2801253
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Originally Posted by fofig
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Count me in for the party laugh I can possibly agree that *eventually* when played with a great piano action and through some (imaginary) great speaker placement with a lot of vibration and playability, Pianoteq might be realistic, but just playing it on headphones is close to being the most unrealistic piano experience. IMHO

OK, if we are all be counted in and out, then count me out! Pianoteq is the only reason I am still playing piano (only slight exaggeration) as the native sounds of my FP30 put me off so much that if I hadn't come across Pianoteq when I was searching for alternatives, my entire piano learning experiment might have come to an untimely early end after only two weeks!

So, I count 3-1 so far wink What other Pianoteq fans will join me in pushing back against the Horde? wink


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same here fp-30+PTQ.... i could not play otherwise... just something aboutthe reponse as somebody said...


3-4! b
Victory is in sight! I got round to trying out my FP50 again because of all the criticism over FP30, which can't sound so different.
Got used to it again quite quickly; the best part is the superb resonances which are good stereo. Now, if I could separate those from the FP sound and add them to Pianoteq . . . .but yes. FP50's still good to go.

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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: MacMacMac] #2801255
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
That's not why. Fake sound is why.


I don't know. YMMV.
Here's a teaser for the Pianoteq Steingraeber piano: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0HIj8mj_I

Does this sound "fake" to people? Now I certainly don't claim to have perfect ears. But I played a Steingraber grand in a church some weeks ago, and earlier today I spent some time with a wonderful Steingraeber upright. To my ears this Pianoteq version sounds pretty believable. Is it as rich and deep as the grand or the upright? No. That's also because of the highly imperfect transducers I'm using (right now some good headphones), which can't replicate the way a good grand piano emits sound. In addition, each and every acoustic instrument has its own signature, which will always be different from a modelled piano. But for what it is, this sounds pretty good to me, at least.

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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: peterws] #2801258
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Originally Posted by peterws
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Victory is in sight!

jamiecw makes it 3-5! wink Now come on. More Pianoteq people speak up. We have to drown out the PT naysayers out there smile


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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2801260
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Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.

BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that.

Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: MacMacMac] #2801267
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.

BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that.

Curious - did PTQ not offer the current trial version?

Unless they didn’t I see no reason to have had any money spent on it..

Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: jamiecw] #2801269
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Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Very fake. Almost every other VST I've tried (dozens of them) sound more real. The feel of Pianoteq is superb. But the sound is truly appalling.

BTW ... online demos are useless. Pianos that sound good online often sound terrible upon installation. My wallet was heavily drained before I discovered that.

Curious - did PTQ not offer the current trial version?

Unless they didn’t I see no reason to have had any money spent on it..

PTQ does offer a trial version. thickfingers mentioned he is using it. It's because of the trial version that I am a loyal PTQ user. And it's because of a lack of a trial version that I haven't tried any sampled VSTs and am not even sure what they sound like apart from the videos (well except for my FP30, which is mostly sampled).


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Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2801271
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Same here, I too would have liked to have tried the Ravenscroft and Garitan but not at the risk of getting something I can’t put to test and be out a couple hundred bucks.

Re: DP touch VS acouctic touch: some thoughts. [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2801274
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Originally Posted by jamiecw
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

So, I count 3-1 so far wink What other Pianoteq fans will join me in pushing back against the Horde? wink

3-2... wink
Similar experience, from a P115, to a YDP163, then an FP30 & laslty an AP470 none made me enjoy listening to myself play..PTQ on the other hand & the control it permits me is what makes me go back every day to practice and play.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by peterws
3-4! b
Victory is in sight!

jamiecw makes it 3-5! wink Now come on. More Pianoteq people speak up. We have to drown out the PT naysayers out there smile


You counted jamiecw’s vote twice. That’s considered cheating so your two votes are disqualified. laugh
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