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And are any others any better? I think not. Perception varies enormously minute by minute almost. When you're stuck with one piano sound, you accept the situation and enjoy it, because there are (were) no alternatives then. And not a lot of money floating around, either. Generally speaking that is!
The choices we nave now create more problems than they solve. The supermarkets are five times larger than they need to be, frankly, it's a pain trying to find basic commodities any more. . . .
More is less!

I'm going to play my FP50 for a week, without any Pianoteq intrusion. Just to see how I get on . . . .I didn't buy it without reason.

Coincidentally just placed an order for a NU1X from Thomann

Your lifelong exposure to acoustic pianos may indeed be the reason for your finding Pianoteq unsatisfactory.And someone's lack of such exposure might explain why he accepts electronically produced piano sounds as natural ... even to the point that he dislikes the acoustic piano?

At least this disproves your theory that you are totally burned out - you found one that actually makes you happy! Congratulations! I would recommend that you now cease messing around with other sampled libraries for a while and enjoy your new piano! You don't want to start comparing your new instrument to other huge sampled libraries.

It's exactly what I intend to do and what I've actually been doing with all my previous purchases. Although I've used Vintage D in the past, it was only for recordings. And with Garritan CFX I started using it a year or two after I've played with the internal sound of my ES7. And I will also have my grand action DIY controller hooked to Garritan CFX, so hopefully there's much variety in my piano arsenal to not complain for a while

Congratulations!

Will you continue development of Cyber DIY grand piano??

Ohh, sure, it's almost finished, I have the sensor PCB-s (yes, I decided to use single small PCBs for each sensor), the note module PCB-s (those that interpret the optical signals and generate digital signals) and currently finishing the CPU board which is actually just a board that hosts the Teensy controller, does I/O with the key modules and has the 5V and pedal inputs. A particular reason for it to take so long, besides the lack of time, is my personality which is always hesitating, I always strive for perfection and I simply can't finalize things because I am afraid I might be missing something or it could have been made better and so I just think and think and try many things in my head only to realize on the next day that I should try differently... But it will be finished!

I've listened to piano music all my life so I know exactly how an acoustic piano should sound, although they differ a lot, yet they have their specific inherent character that's currently missing in modeled pianos.

That settles it, we'll have a double blind test and see if you can tell the difference more than 50 percent of the time.

Congratulations - from what I've heard that's a great piano. I'll be quite curious what you'll think of the onboard CFX and Bosendorfer sounds after you've spent a lot of time with them. I haven't had the chance to play it but some of the best sounds (with a great action) from Yamaha should be very interesting!

Awesome. There is always a case for rummaging ideas and a case for just diving in.

Most of the digitals I've tried lately just sound, well, too digital. I guess I am spoiled by having an acoustic grand, but after playing some digitals, and then playing the real things, it's just not even close. Even the ones that had a good piano sound could not compete in touch. It felt like playing mf would produce a sound that's too soft, or if I wanted to play ff, I'd have to hit the keys extremely hard. In short, I didn't like the sound or the touch response of most digitals. They are good for non-piano sounds, but for just piano, I'd rather have any decent acoustic.

Thanks, Jeff! From what I've heard so far as demos, Garritan CFX is still better sounding than Yamaha's own sampling but then there's the entire NU1X package with the real action, the great sound system, the VRM resonance modeling and all that integrated into lovely playability.

But I guess I'm not abandoning Garritan CFX yet which I will be using with my own built controller, so thank you again for your excellent work on CFX and your tremendous help in regards to re-pedaling configuration.

I have to find that video I've seen on Youtube about a year ago - with a little girl observing her new Yamaha P-45. Althought she speaks russian... So, the point is that she says:"The sound is beatiful! I like it much more than sound of any real piano in my music school".
So, it's a child. About 9-10 years old. Her taste is not formed yet. She just has to make fair, not influenced choice. And she chooses digital sound. I may suppose that pianos in her music school are mostly in not very good condition because financing is poor. But nevertheless, all the old peano teacher I know alway say "The worst and cheapest acoustic is better than any digital" - the child feels it opposite.

So, she says she attends a music school. I dare to say her taste is pretty well formed.

Once I was a student to the local music school, the acoustic pianos there were low end August Fürster (I am referring to late 1980s and early 1990s). Without any doubt any contemporary digital, especially a Yamaha, would beat them in sound and mechanics.

Turning to the Russian made acoustic pianos (Чайковски, Чайка and whatnot), here (and “here” is an Eastern European country) they are considered next-to-garbage, a poor man’s acoustic piano, a better-than-nothing instrument. Those are the cheapest pianos on the market.

It’s quite believeable that the girl in the said video has been honest.

And no, I disagree with your teacher who seems to have never played a Чайка.

I do not mean to hate the Russian-made pianos. They have their uses, for example, the students in opera singing buy them to help them exercise their voice while warming up.

I meant not my teacher exaxctly, but any old music teacher from numerous music schools around the country. All theese grannies hate digitals.
I disagree too, of course. But I bet there some forum members that share teacher's position

Most of these “grannies” have prepared top class pianists, especially in Eastetn Europe They are very clever and know their business, don’t underestimate them! Of course Soviet pianos are crap and I’d prefer a digital over most Soviet pianos without blinking. But for me personally a digital piano, bar hybrid ones, is a no match for a well tuned and maintained acoustic Japanese or German piano.

Soviet pianos lousy? I hear nothing wrong with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKaXayoLGgs

When I said “most” and not “all” of them, it was exactly because of Estonia But can’t think of any other Soviet brand that is worth it today and is still made. BTW, Estonia is very old, so maybe shouldn’t be considered Soviet at all.

It matters very much when a particular Estonia piano was built. They were good long long ago before the Soviet period, they're excellent now. The one in the video appears to be well post-Soviet.