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Can't find Digital Piano with features I want...HELP
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Currently have a Yamaha PSR 900. Love it BUT... it only has 61 keys and I really want 88 keys and a very realistic key action.
The things I really like in the PSR 900:
1. Playing midi files and changing the voices of lead instruments etc.
2. Hooking up to my computer and IPad to run programs like Notation and play along on the keyboard.
3. Having a lot of voices to choose from.
4. Being able to layer voices.

What is currently on the market that has a good piano voice and has all of the features listed above?
In other words how can I upgrade my PSR 900 and get 88 keys and possibly better sounds?

Does the Yamaha DXG 660 accomplish this with good voices or is it not enough of an upgrade?
Does the Casio PX 560 accomplish this and have good piano sounds?
Want to keep it under $2000 dollars if possible.

All input is greatly appreciated.
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Both DGX660 and Casio PX 560 have an hammer action. This is a good point. There is also the Korg Havian.

You should try them and compare in a shop.


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Originally Posted by rogerc
Currently have a Yamaha PSR 900. Love it BUT... it only has 61 keys and I really want 88 keys and a very realistic key action.
The things I really like in the PSR 900:
1. Playing midi files and changing the voices of lead instruments etc.
2. Hooking up to my computer and IPad to run programs like Notation and play along on the keyboard.
3. Having a lot of voices to choose from.
4. Being able to layer voices.

What is currently on the market that has a good piano voice and has all of the features listed above?
In other words how can I upgrade my PSR 900 and get 88 keys and possibly better sounds?

Does the Yamaha DXG 660 accomplish this with good voices or is it not enough of an upgrade?
Does the Casio PX 560 accomplish this and have good piano sounds?
Want to keep it under $2000 dollars if possible.

All input is greatly appreciated.
RC



Many DPs in your price range can do most of the things on your list, but I want clarification for #1: are you talking about editing midi files within the DP? I think if this feature is available, it may be limiting. Editing midi files is far, far simpler using a computer and DAW, and then playing through your DP or whatever setup you choose.

Also, depending on the kinds of other sounds you want (I.e., orchestral) you may be more satisfied with using software for that. Of course, you will find nice piano sounds onboard many DPs under $2k, but often software will surpass onboard sounds.


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You may want to consider also the Yamaha P515. In theory is a better keyboard than the DGX660. As for sounds, it includes the XG sound set. The PSR 900 also includes the XG sounds, but then many more.


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I'm tempted to say that every piano made today does all of these things.
Originally Posted by rogerc
1. Playing midi files and changing the voices of lead instruments etc.
2. Hooking up to my computer and IPad to run programs like Notation and play along on the keyboard.
3. Having a lot of voices to choose from.
4. Being able to layer voices.
What is currently on the market that has a good piano voice and has all of the features listed above?
Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe there are some that don't.
But most do, so the point is made. It's easy to fulfill your needs.

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Hmm, I looked up the keyboard you mentioned it's classified as an 'arranger keyboard'. That's more of a separate class of keyboards than 'digital pianos', like 'workstation keyboards'.


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First thanks for all the replies....
To answer and clarify some of the questions and statement above.
I am really not editing the midi file as much as changing the voice on the keyboard as it plays.
Yes the PSR 9xx are arranger keyboards.

Guess what I am asking is there a Arranger Keyboard with 88 keys, piano key and feel, and most of the features of the Yamaha PSR S900 model?

It appears that the Casio PX 560 is the closest keyboard currently on the market.
Any others?????
Hope something comes out of Namm 2019 that suits my wishes.

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Originally Posted by rogerc
Guess what I am asking is there a Arranger Keyboard with 88 keys, piano key and feel, and most of the features of the Yamaha PSR S900 model?

Currently you have two Yamaha models to choose from:
  • YPG-535 a.k.a. DGX-530
  • DGX-660

If those don't meet your quality standards then your next choice is from the more expensive Clavinovas CVP. But then even top of the line Clavinova CVP 709 doesn't have e.g. arpeggiator that is available on much cheaper PSR models, e.g. PSR-S670 or PSR-E463.

The main advantage of YPG-535 that it has the "Easy Arranger" button that allows you to change the accompaniment arrangement with a few key-presses. If you need to change just the lead voice then nearly every model has this: just press&hold the "voice" button.
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Hope something comes out of Namm 2019 that suits my wishes.

My bet is that you are going to get disappointed. Every manufacturer is currently going for market segmentation to force people to buy multiple devices with minimum overlap in the functionality. The newest Roland portable 88 keys has only 4 tones/voices.

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Check the Korg Kross 2 88 and also their Krome 88. They have very good piano sounds and lots of features.

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All the models you mentioned have built-in speakers, is that a feature you want as well?

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Yes, would like "good" built in speakers but also a good speaker out set up to be able to hook up some good monitors if I want to in the future.

Casio seems to be teasing us for the NAMM 2019.
Come on someone put out a good 88 keyboard with good action and arranger set up with fantastic sounds for under $2500 USD.

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Originally Posted by rogerc

1. Playing midi files and changing the voices of lead instruments etc.
2. Hooking up to my computer and IPad to run programs like Notation and play along on the keyboard.
3. Having a lot of voices to choose from.
4. Being able to layer voices.

Anything that includes the GM (General MIDI) spec will work. Tons of possibilities.

Originally Posted by rogerc
Yes, would like "good" built in speakers

That's what will narrow it down. The aforementioned Yamaha P515 and Roland FP90 could be good possibilities. Though also, I'm not clear as to what, if any, "arranger" features you need (i.e. the ability for the board to generate backing tracks on the fly, which is different from playing MIDI files).

But one other thing to think about, since you love your PSR 900 and just wish for a good 88-key action... You can probably buy a nice 88-key board (anything with a 5-pin DIN MIDI out) and plug it into the PS 900 to play the PSR from an 88-key hammer action.

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Check out the Korg Havian 30


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Originally Posted by piRround
Check out the Korg Havian 30

I thought of that one too, if the arranger features are important, but it's discontinued. I actually briefly considered buying one, but the connectivity was too crippled.

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Only the Yamaha CVP provides the features you want but these pianos are ridiculously expencive.


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