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Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800766
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Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
Well, saying that "music has no meaning if I can't perform" might be an overstatement, but I felt like something was missing in my first 1,5 year at the piano, and that something was the option to play for others. Art is made to be shared. It is not vain in itself, but it is so much more when you can share it. Why write a book if not to be read by someone? Why paint a painting if no to be seen by anyone? Why to play music if not to be heard by anyone?


I've never heard anyone else say that they feel the same way I do about playing. For me it quickly breaks down into three categories:

1) Playing by myself. I enjoy it and the logistics are easy.
2) Performing for others, which I hate and from which I derive no joy. My dogs are my only audience.
3) Playing with friends. I love this but it gets a little harder to get people together with each passing year.

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Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800769
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Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
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And I don't recall ever saying something like "I'll be happy when."


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvin
When I'll be very good, I might be happy with my level...


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
I'll be so happy when I'll be able to play that Nocturne, that Debussy, that... when I'll have overcome some more challenges. Then new challenges will seem possible to overcome as well and I'll continue my progress..."


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi

I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).


Do you just want agreement then? How can anyone help?

Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800778
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Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
But I realize that many people don't feel the way I do. Which is perfectly fine and, in fact, it is interesting to see the variety of approaches.
(I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).

And then, of course, there are some people who do feel the way you do! smile


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Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800779
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Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
Well, saying that "music has no meaning if I can't perform" might be an overstatement, but I felt like something was missing in my first 1,5 year at the piano, and that something was the option to play for others. Art is made to be shared. It is not vain in itself, but it is so much more when you can share it. Why write a book if not to be read by someone? Why paint a painting if no to be seen by anyone? Why to play music if not to be heard by anyone?

I know not all people feel the need to play for others. I know the anxiety and all the stuff. But for me, just practicing for myself is not enough. On the long run, even though I enjoy it, there is something missing. And I feel like it should be understandable.
There are loads of writers, painters, singers, musicians that do what they do so they can be read, seen, heard, and that wouldn't do it otherwise. It seems like something perfectly reasonable and normal (the contrary is not "not normal". Don't make me say what I didn't).

And I don't recall ever saying something like "I'll be happy when".
I consider myself as being happy overall, but I'm disappointed with my "piano life" right now and I want that to improve and be fulfilling again.

I really thought I'd find people who understands me in here, since we are all amateur pianists and most of us must have went through some discouragement periods.
But I realize that many people don't feel the way I do. Which is perfectly fine and, in fact, it is interesting to see the variety of approaches.
(I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).

-

Anyway, at first, I wanted to come here to share my happiness of the night. I had my first lesson of 2019 tonight. It went pretty much as usual. I was a little bit disappointed of myself because I haven't practice much since our last lesson, but didn't want to cancel.
There is not much to be said about the lesson. It went smoothly and there wasn't anything out of the ordinary. After the lesson, as usual, I stayed at the conservatory, in the practice room, to take some notes about the lesson. Then I've stayed to practice. And, to my surprise, considering how tired I was, I stayed there for 1h45. I've only practiced the first page of my Debussy, often in very short sections at a time. Nothing to make me feel like I was kind of playing the piece.
But, in the end, when I realized the time it was, I stood up, took my scores smiling and feeling so serene. Previously, I was feeling like this almost every time after a practice session (not always. We all have bad days). But I hadn't had that feeling in a few months. I feel just so good right now!

I texted my teacher just because I told him a bit about what I was going through in one lesson in December, and he asked me if I still liked playing piano. There was no doubt for me that the answer was yes, even though the motivation and energy wasn't there. And I wanted him to know that tonight, our lesson really made me feel good (in the past, I was often invigorated from my lessons. It gave me ideas on how to continue improving and willingness to but the advice into practice. This is in part what happened tonight. And I know my teacher sometimes doubt of himself, feeling he is too punctilious. But it's one of the reason I like him. He is thorough.).

Let's hope it will continue tomorrow!


Glad you had a good lesson and enjoyment in practicing! Keep it up! One thing I'd be careful about, though, is practicing with fatigue can be less productive; also, staying on one piece for 1 hr 45 min can also drop productivity. Might mix in some other practice to break it up.

Don't forget to sleep


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Re: Drop of motivation [Re: cmb13] #2800874
01/11/19 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Greener
Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
...
And I don't recall ever saying something like "I'll be happy when."


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvin
When I'll be very good, I might be happy with my level...


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
I'll be so happy when I'll be able to play that Nocturne, that Debussy, that... when I'll have overcome some more challenges. Then new challenges will seem possible to overcome as well and I'll continue my progress..."


Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi

I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).


Do you just want agreement then? How can anyone help?

Hmm, I feel those are out of context, or that maybe the language barrier made those statements mean something else than I intended.

It is true that I'll be happy when I'll be able to play my nocturne. But it doesn't mean that I'm not happy right now.

As for the example concerning the level, it was more to say "maybe one day, I won't want to become better. I'll be happy / satisfied / I'll consider my level high enough that I won't feel the need to improve". I really doubt this day will happen, but it was specifically answering someone else. For now, progressing is a big part of what motivates me. If there was no improvement, I would most certainly quit the piano.

I hope that clarifies the situation.

Originally Posted by elenmirie
Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
After the lesson, as usual, I stayed at the conservatory, in the practice room, to take some notes about the lesson. Then I've stayed to practice. And, to my surprise, considering how tired I was, I stayed there for 1h45. I've only practiced the first page of my Debussy, often in very short sections at a time. Nothing to make me feel like I was kind of playing the piece.
But, in the end, when I realized the time it was, I stood up, took my scores smiling and feeling so serene. Previously, I was feeling like this almost every time after a practice session (not always. We all have bad days). But I hadn't had that feeling in a few months. I feel just so good right now!

[...]

Let's hope it will continue tomorrow!


That makes me very, very happy for you! You were in flow on that practice session... there's nothing so satisfying as that.

When I spotted your thread today, I read "drop of motivation" more like "drop of water", if that makes sense. As in, put a drop of motivation in a glass of time and see what happens... then I clicked on it and read that, fantastic.

What do you think was the difference that made the difference?


Hmmm, nothing in particular. I've come back from my vacation. I might be less exhausted in general (even though I felt tired yesterday). And, hopping back into work, I'm trying to hop into my previous piano routine, trying to stop the vicious cercle to go back in the "virtuous" circle (practice --> progress --> motivation --> practice). I've practiced a little 30 minutes on monday, 1 hour on tuesday. I didn't practice wednesday (I had something else in the evening and came back home late). Then 1h15 lesson thursday and 1h45 of practice. So maybe simply getting back into it, feeling the progress is what made the difference.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
But I realize that many people don't feel the way I do. Which is perfectly fine and, in fact, it is interesting to see the variety of approaches.
(I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).

And then, of course, there are some people who do feel the way you do! smile

Yes, I choose carefully my word, with "many" and not "all", thinking of you. smile

Originally Posted by cmb13
Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
Well, saying that "music has no meaning if I can't perform" might be an overstatement, but I felt like something was missing in my first 1,5 year at the piano, and that something was the option to play for others. Art is made to be shared. It is not vain in itself, but it is so much more when you can share it. Why write a book if not to be read by someone? Why paint a painting if no to be seen by anyone? Why to play music if not to be heard by anyone?

I know not all people feel the need to play for others. I know the anxiety and all the stuff. But for me, just practicing for myself is not enough. On the long run, even though I enjoy it, there is something missing. And I feel like it should be understandable.
There are loads of writers, painters, singers, musicians that do what they do so they can be read, seen, heard, and that wouldn't do it otherwise. It seems like something perfectly reasonable and normal (the contrary is not "not normal". Don't make me say what I didn't).

And I don't recall ever saying something like "I'll be happy when".
I consider myself as being happy overall, but I'm disappointed with my "piano life" right now and I want that to improve and be fulfilling again.

I really thought I'd find people who understands me in here, since we are all amateur pianists and most of us must have went through some discouragement periods.
But I realize that many people don't feel the way I do. Which is perfectly fine and, in fact, it is interesting to see the variety of approaches.
(I appreciate less when I'm told that my point of view is wrong, though).

-

Anyway, at first, I wanted to come here to share my happiness of the night. I had my first lesson of 2019 tonight. It went pretty much as usual. I was a little bit disappointed of myself because I haven't practice much since our last lesson, but didn't want to cancel.
There is not much to be said about the lesson. It went smoothly and there wasn't anything out of the ordinary. After the lesson, as usual, I stayed at the conservatory, in the practice room, to take some notes about the lesson. Then I've stayed to practice. And, to my surprise, considering how tired I was, I stayed there for 1h45. I've only practiced the first page of my Debussy, often in very short sections at a time. Nothing to make me feel like I was kind of playing the piece.
But, in the end, when I realized the time it was, I stood up, took my scores smiling and feeling so serene. Previously, I was feeling like this almost every time after a practice session (not always. We all have bad days). But I hadn't had that feeling in a few months. I feel just so good right now!

I texted my teacher just because I told him a bit about what I was going through in one lesson in December, and he asked me if I still liked playing piano. There was no doubt for me that the answer was yes, even though the motivation and energy wasn't there. And I wanted him to know that tonight, our lesson really made me feel good (in the past, I was often invigorated from my lessons. It gave me ideas on how to continue improving and willingness to but the advice into practice. This is in part what happened tonight. And I know my teacher sometimes doubt of himself, feeling he is too punctilious. But it's one of the reason I like him. He is thorough.).

Let's hope it will continue tomorrow!


Glad you had a good lesson and enjoyment in practicing! Keep it up! One thing I'd be careful about, though, is practicing with fatigue can be less productive; also, staying on one piece for 1 hr 45 min can also drop productivity. Might mix in some other practice to break it up.

Don't forget to sleep

The 1h45, in fact, was more
- 30 minutes to take notes on the lesson
- 15 minutes of scales and sight singing exercices (not exactly "sight" singing. More like playing a note, singing the major scale, the triads of each degree of the scale, and doing the same with the relative minor)
- 1 hour on the piece

Sleepy practice is less efficient, but certainly better than no practice. smile
I'll try to get some well deserved rest this week-end though. This first week of work has been busy!


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Started piano on February 2016.
Pieces I'm working on :
- Rameau, Les Sauvages
- Beethoven, sonata op. 49, no. 1, 1st mov
- Chopin, nocturne op. posth. in C# minor
- Debussy, Golliwog's cakewalk
Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800897
01/11/19 02:26 PM
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Just read through the thread and I was so happy to see this, CadenzaVvi: “But, in the end, when I realized the time it was, I stood up, took my scores smiling and feeling so serene.” Isn’t that a delicious feeling?!


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Re: Drop of motivation [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2800959
01/11/19 04:53 PM
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It is! That's why I missed it since it was gone those past months! smile


My piano journey from day 1
Started piano on February 2016.
Pieces I'm working on :
- Rameau, Les Sauvages
- Beethoven, sonata op. 49, no. 1, 1st mov
- Chopin, nocturne op. posth. in C# minor
- Debussy, Golliwog's cakewalk
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