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Chopin - Waltz in A Minor #2799283
01/07/19 04:43 AM
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Who else is practicing this beautiful piece? Would love to hear your experiences with it and what you see the most challenging thing in the piece. Do you practice the easy version or the original?


- Artur Gajewski

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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799284
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Hi.I have done it not long time ago. If you want to listen link below. At first it seemed to be easy but after a bit of practising I found it quite difficult for my level. I had problem with trills and then with left hand so it is not to heavy and do not sound like chopping wood. Peddling was difficult as well, it is very easy is over do it. It took me about 4 months to get grasp of it. I don’t think that I’ve mastered it this but did what I could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SNKDHT0lPU&frags=pl%2Cwn


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799289
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You played it beautifully!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799298
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Hi Artur, I've practiced this piece for 1,5 month. I think the most difficult things are the right hand arpeggio, the clarity in trills and find the needed muscle memory to play the third part of the piece (measures 33-40).

You will enjoy this beautiful piece wink

If you want to see my recording:

https://youtu.be/--Wx5reJJQ


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799314
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Claudemir you also play it beautifully ❤️


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799323
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Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
Claudemir you also play it beautifully ❤️

Thank you wink


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Nowadays studying classical plus pop music.

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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799325
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This isn't going to be particularly helpful, but I used to play this a long long time ago (at the time when I had lessons, growing up), and you've just inspired me to play it again. Thanks for bringing it up! Let us know how you get on with it smile


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799350
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Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
Who else is practicing this beautiful piece? Would love to hear your experiences with it and what you see the most challenging thing in the piece. Do you practice the easy version or the original?


There are two Waltzes in A minor: Op. 34 No. 2, and the Brown-Index 150. It seems this discussion is about the latter. What "easy version" and what "original"? My Henle has only one version.

Regards,

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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: BruceD] #2799403
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
Who else is practicing this beautiful piece? Would love to hear your experiences with it and what you see the most challenging thing in the piece. Do you practice the easy version or the original?


There are two Waltzes in A minor: Op. 34 No. 2, and the Brown-Index 150. It seems this discussion is about the latter. What "easy version" and what "original"? My Henle has only one version.

Regards,


This simplified version, although after practicing this today I am leaning towards learning the original.

https://youtu.be/D8_UkLwIC1o


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Sibylle] #2799404
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Originally Posted by Sibylle
This isn't going to be particularly helpful, but I used to play this a long long time ago (at the time when I had lessons, growing up), and you've just inspired me to play it again. Thanks for bringing it up! Let us know how you get on with it smile


Thanks. Hands alone I can do it just fine. Hands together is the hard part 😊


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799437
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I see that the simplified version was created by the author of the video lesson. Therefore, it's not one that's readily available in print, I would think. That said, the original is really very easy and it would be worth one's while to work on it, rather than on the simplified version which somewhat compromises the sound of the original.

Regards,


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799442
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Though I played this for recital about 6 months ago, I'm still playing it and improving it. The most difficult aspects for me were/are:

- The left hand motion, it has a lot of large jumps and you have to form your hand to the chord during the jump. I spent many hours just practicing the left hand on this one.
- The triplet-quintuplet arpeggio. First off, it's fast and hard to do and keep tempo. Second, the rhythm is challenging. "Pineapple Anniversary" is forever burned in my head (this is the phrase my teacher had me use to help with the timing.)
- The trills, especially in the 3rd section are challenging, though some work can be done to move some of them to more dominant finger. I still don't have these totally down smile

All that said, I found it a very useful piece for learning techniques like left hand jumps and learning it has improved my playing and ability to tackle new pieces. It's also a lovely piece, still one of my favorites in my limited repertoire.

Last edited by squidbot; 01/07/19 04:29 PM.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: squidbot] #2799445
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Originally Posted by squidbot
Second, the rhythm is challenging. "Pineapple Anniversary" is forever burned in my head (this is the phrase my teacher had me use to help with the timing.)


How helpful was it for you to use a multi-syllable word to match and then learn the rhythm? Was it a little helpful, or a lot?

And have you used it with other rhythm challenges?

I have used that strategy many times over the years with dozens of students, and also with my own playing. I am curious because it works very well with many people, but not with everyone.

Thanks.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799452
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It's nice to see other fellow Poles learning Chopin. Pozdrawiam. wink

I learned that one in my first year of piano. Now I find it easy but back then it was a bit challenging. The arpeggio run and trills presented the biggest challenge. The jumps were never very hard for me but for some people they can be.

I agree with Bruce that you should definitely go for the original version. There's no point playing simplified arrangements after your first few months of piano.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: BruceD] #2799563
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Originally Posted by BruceD
I see that the simplified version was created by the author of the video lesson. Therefore, it's not one that's readily available in print, I would think. That said, the original is really very easy and it would be worth one's while to work on it, rather than on the simplified version which somewhat compromises the sound of the original.

Regards,


Sheet music by that author is available for print: https://www.pianotv.net/2016/01/waltz-in-a-minor-by-chopin-simplified-piano-tutorial/


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Qazsedcft] #2799583
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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
It's nice to see other fellow Poles learning Chopin. Pozdrawiam. wink

I learned that one in my first year of piano. Now I find it easy but back then it was a bit challenging. The arpeggio run and trills presented the biggest challenge. The jumps were never very hard for me but for some people they can be.

I agree with Bruce that you should definitely go for the original version. There's no point playing simplified arrangements after your first few months of piano.


Pozdrawiam smile Chopin is the one I prefer to listen to when I feel like listening to classical piano. It is peaceful and melodic when other composers tend to get too agressive with the piano for my taste. I just love how Chopin wrote his emotions into his pieces. Nocturnes are my favorite and then some waltzes and preludes.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799585
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Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
Originally Posted by BruceD
I see that the simplified version was created by the author of the video lesson. Therefore, it's not one that's readily available in print, I would think. That said, the original is really very easy and it would be worth one's while to work on it, rather than on the simplified version which somewhat compromises the sound of the original.

Regards,


Sheet music by that author is available for print: https://www.pianotv.net/2016/01/waltz-in-a-minor-by-chopin-simplified-piano-tutorial/


I realize that many "methods" publish simplified versions of more difficult works in order to introduce beginning pianists to well-known repertoire. For this Waltz, I would recommend - if you can handle it - that you work on the original for both musical and pedagogical reasons.

Regards,


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Hello!
I have been learning this piece for about 8 months. And I took long breaks, because some places were difficult at first for me. I still continue to improve my performance - this is almost an endless process.

I think the hardest part of this play is:
1. Melisma (mordents and trill at the end). You need to have a fine motor skills. This requires good, trained and fluent fingers.
2. Triplet and quintuplet (22nd bar). This is a polyrhythm, which is quite complicated when counting.
3. Maintaining an even rhythm (even tempo). Still, do not forget that this is a waltz - i.e. dance. A steady tempo is important in the dance. Yes, rubato - is good, but it should be a decoration, and not something intrusive and alien.

At first I played the original sheet, which are widespread.
However, on the IMSLP website I found the original Chopin manuscript. And there I noticed an interesting feature: the differences in the motive for repetition.
For clarity, I attach a photo of these notes. I marked this place. And I myself play in this version.
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The difference is as follows: for the first time two eighth notes are played. And the second time - the dotted eighth note and sixteenth note. That is, the rhythmic pattern is slightly different and more complicated.

My recording of this waltz is here >>.


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I finally wrapped up this piece after a long time in the "polishing" stage, which means I got an acceptable recording with only minor mistakes. I have yet to play it 100% smoothly and convincingly at about 90 bpm, which is the tempo that sounds best to me.

I don't understand why this piece is considered early intermediate or so - it's full of challenges, as others have mentioned. My biggest problem was where to look at any given time. I soon found that I could not follow the score and get the leaps right, and even after memorizing the piece, which is a pretty easy thing to do, I found my eyes wandering too much. Sitting a bit further away from the piano and trying to look in the middle part of the keyboard was definitely helpful. That way you avoid a lot of head movement and you can use peripheral vision for the very low and very high notes (at times almost 5 octaves apart!).

Another thing that helped was convince myself that I actually knew the piece. Self-confidence does wonders especially in this kind of pieces, while doubting oneself even for a second will lead to missed notes and clunky ornaments.


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