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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799761
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Progress day 1: I manage to play left hand alone at 60bpm and right hand alone for the first eight bars. Both hands, so and so at 30bpm laugh

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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: rocket88] #2799804
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Second, the rhythm is challenging. "Pineapple Anniversary" is forever burned in my head (this is the phrase my teacher had me use to help with the timing.)


How helpful was it for you to use a multi-syllable word to match and then learn the rhythm? Was it a little helpful, or a lot?
Thanks.


I was initially skeptical, but it was actually very helpful. It helped me to understand what it was supposed to sound like, and I would literally say the words while I was practicing and knew I wasn't getting the rhythm correct. I have been singing for decades longer than I've been playing piano so that may have something to do with why it's helpful for me.


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And have you used it with other rhythm challenges?


Yes, though it's always my teacher who gives me the suggestion.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2799856
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Thanks squidbot for the info!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2800394
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Progress update: It's getting there. Very slowly I manage to play first 8 bars both hands together but sometimes I stumble while searching for left hand chord keys.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2800925
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I'm working on it now, I plan to have it on the May recital. My teacher is a great help as always...

Since I'm an early beginner I still have some things to develop to get it right. Very good piece to train left hand jumps and the 4/5 right hand fingers smile

Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: StasNick] #2800927
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StasNick,
I listened to your recording several times. Very beautifully played indeed thumb. Never thought a Waltz could stir emotions like this. I should listen to more of Chopin!

And you started learning just around a year ago! Need to step up my game and start thinking about some hard-core piano goals smile


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: StasNick] #2800931
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Originally Posted by StasNick
My recording of this waltz is here >>.

Beautifully played!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2801065
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by StasNick
My recording of this waltz is here >>.

Beautifully played!

Very nicely played!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: StasNick] #2801068
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Originally Posted by StasNick
Hello!
I have been learning this piece for about 8 months. And I took long breaks, because some places were difficult at first for me. I still continue to improve my performance - this is almost an endless process.

I think the hardest part of this play is:
1. Melisma (mordents and trill at the end). You need to have a fine motor skills. This requires good, trained and fluent fingers.
2. Triplet and quintuplet (22nd bar). This is a polyrhythm, which is quite complicated when counting.
3. Maintaining an even rhythm (even tempo). Still, do not forget that this is a waltz - i.e. dance. A steady tempo is important in the dance. Yes, rubato - is good, but it should be a decoration, and not something intrusive and alien.

At first I played the original sheet, which are widespread.
However, on the IMSLP website I found the original Chopin manuscript. And there I noticed an interesting feature: the differences in the motive for repetition.
For clarity, I attach a photo of these notes. I marked this place. And I myself play in this version.
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The difference is as follows: for the first time two eighth notes are played. And the second time - the dotted eighth note and sixteenth note. That is, the rhythmic pattern is slightly different and more complicated.

My recording of this waltz is here >>.


Excellent!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2801526
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It is a beautiful piece, that I wanted to learn for quite some time. I am hoping to do it for this yearโ€™s 40 Pieces a Year Club. I am hoping that will give me the extra motivation needed to practice it more.
Bar 22 confused me a lot at first (3 octave arpeggio). I still canโ€™t play it very quickly, but what helped me was to watch some performances on YouTube. Not the crazy fast ones, but the accurate slower ones. There is quite a few tutorials there too.

Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2801785
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Progress update: Been practicing this every single day for at least 30 minutes. It is getting easier for my left hand to handle the note to chords leaps but still some struggles. I keep reminding myself how hard it was for me to play Fur Elise in the beginning and the tremendous progress I have made with it by just practicing, so I am not giving up on this piece smile


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Artur Gajewski] #2801883
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You can totally learn this!

I've fallen off the waggon, so to speak, when I found I actually don't have the sheet music for it. So I started on a different waltz smile

I hope we'll hear this from you some time!


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Sibylle] #2801901
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Originally Posted by Sibylle
I've fallen off the waggon, so to speak, when I found I actually don't have the sheet music for it.

Sibylle, you know about IMSLP, right? For example.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2801905
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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I've fallen off the waggon, so to speak, when I found I actually don't have the sheet music for it.

Sibylle, you know about IMSLP, right? For example.

I do, yes smile But I'd assumed it was in one of the Chopin compilation books I bought recently, and it wasn't. Then I saw I had the other one... and decided to do that instead.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: squidbot] #2802004
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Originally Posted by squidbot
The most difficult aspects for me were/are:


I realized I forgot another element (which I still struggle with, but it so important for this piece) is moderating the volume of the left hand versus the right. It's very easy to make the left hand (which is just accompaniment) overpower the right hand which completely carries the melody. And all that while trying to maintain a waltz feel with the 2nd and 3rd beats being less pronounced than the first, which presents a challenge as the 1st beat is usually one note and the 2nd and 3rd are 3 note chords.The first Celementi sonatina helped immeasurably in learning to control my left hand, though I have a ways to go still. I find my performance of this waltz much better after doing a lot of work on the sonatina.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Sibylle] #2802142
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Originally Posted by Sibylle
You can totally learn this!


There are no shortcuts, practice will get me there smile

Originally Posted by Sibylle
I hope we'll hear this from you some time!


I will post recording once I get my audio interface so that I can record direct from my Roland.

I took my first private piano lesson yesterday and the teacher gave me some good insight on how I should continue and gave me exercises to practice the big leaps with left hand. He said I have a good touch and hand movement, my only problem is finding the correct keys to press after the leap smile

I will continue weekly lessons with him, he was really good teacher.


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Re: Chopin - Waltz in A Minor [Re: Tech-key] #2802150
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Originally Posted by Tech-key

Never thought a Waltz could stir emotions like this. I should listen to more of Chopin!


If you want some emotion try and play Chopin Prelude No 4. Once you realise the pattern its very simple - gets a bit complicated at bars 18/19 but other than that should be no problem for an advanced beginner. But before you start get yourself into an emotional state of being about to cry. Then play the left hand softly and the right hand as though you are crying with it.

I always come out the other end exhausted when I try that - and its a very short piece only 26 bars long.

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Artur, you inspired me to revisit the piece. It's been about a year since I practiced it regularly. I just made a recording of where I am at with it today, like you so I can see how it improves. I started playing it only about a year in to lessons and was never happy with how I played it and I want to "fix" it now that I have a little more technique under my belt.

Anyway, here's today's recording: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yrlV9Cj7spzX02hFzSuWbEVqcXo7TtLK

Let's keep each other inspired and maybe we can get some others to join us!


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squidbot: you play it very well, I will be at your level in five years laugh

I just took my first lesson on monday and got some really good pointers for the left hand leaps. Funny thing is, about an hour after my recording, it all just snapped and I was able to play it a lot better. In the recording my brain just got stuck and I was searching the the right keys to play for chords but now it seems a lot easier.


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