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Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 #2798397
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I just visited a store and tried and liked them both, but I am a beginner and fear I might make the wrong choice. Am I forgetting any other ones in the same range? What do you suggest and why? Will I be missing on acoustic pianosbif I go digital? The reason I am leaning toward digital is the maintenance required with acoustic ones.

Should I get one of these or am I better of start learning with something cheaper? I am an adult learner in early 30s. Not sure if it's too late to learn now...

Would truly appreciate your insights!

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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798423
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There has been some talk about the so-called NU1X defect related to “loud” notes being triggered unintentionally when playing ppp tremolos or repeated notes. Heck, someone went as far as saying that this was a ‘disaster’. blush
The more I watch the YouTube video supposedly highlighting this issue, and the more I read about forum members who own and love this instrument, the more I feel like this is not that big a deal unless you set out to look for it.

As it compares to the CLP-685, it seems like the NU1X usually wins despite the 685’s “superior” specs and the NU1X’s “defect “.

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798452
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I recently went through the same decision process and ended up going with the NU1X over the CLP-685. It arrived this week and it has been great. Better than expected. Having said that I think I can distill the differences down to the following:

The NU1X is essentially a hybrid upright piano with the voice of the Yamha's CFX Grand. It's primary objective and what it is best at is playing as as a piano. It is as close as anything I tested out in that price range as sitting down at an acoustic upright piano. When I was testing it out at one dealer I was able to go back and forth between the Yamaha U1 upright and the NU1X, I could tell there was a difference but it came as close to the experience of an acoustic as anything I tested in that price range. Using the speakers it sounds very good. Using a good set of headphones the Binaural sampling of the CFX grand is great. Like I said it's about as close as you get to feeling like you are sitting at an acoustic upright piano.

Having said that part of what makes it feel that way is what it is not. The user controls are very simple, pretty much old school and blend into the instrument. When you are playing you don't notice them at all. It only has 15 voices. You can only record one track, you can't do a split keyboard with multiple voices. There is a certain amount of elegance in it's simplicity.

The CLP-685 on the other hand has all of the extras. Lot's of voices, you can split the keyboard etc. However I felt that the piano sound and feel was not the same as the NU1X. If I was considering those extras I probably would have gone with either the Roland LX706 or LX708 and not the CLP-685. I thought the Roland LX708 sounded better than the CLP-685 and I preferred the keyboard of the Roland over the CLP-685. I didn't get to test the LX706.

From my perspective what I wanted was something that played like a piano. The other stuff wasn't on my radar at all. Having had the NU1X for all of 3 days I can say it has exceeded my expectations. Someone else put it best when they said it is just a joy to sit down and play.


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798458
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Should I try to bargain with the seller for the prices? How much usually can I go down?
also, is the warranty on these two different?

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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798475
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For price information, look at:

1. The prices paid thread at http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1201029

2. The prices paid spreadsheet at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwdESI8nPDtaQzhZeUh6UlBRZlk/view?usp=sharing

3. The digital piano section of pianobuyer.com (This is for reference only. When you look at their "estimated prices", know that you must never ever pay that much.)

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798488
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One thing I forgot to mention that has been said in other threads is that once you decide what features you want and have a list of DPs that fit those criteria nothing will replace going out and testing them preferably multiple times. Then get the one that you feel the best at. For me it was the NU1X but for someone else it could be the Kawai CA98 or Roland LX708. One thing I do feel confident it saying is that there is no universally accepted best for everyone piano in this price range.


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798611
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I went back to the shop, the NU1X really feels great and I liked it a lot, however, the "defect" thread has made me dubious about this choice. How big of an issue is it?

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798616
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Pete14's post earlier in this thread addresses the "defect". I don't know of anyone who owns the NU1/NU1X for whom it's a disqualifier. Don't let it keep you from enjoying this instrument!

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798781
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Play both pianos as extensively as you can before purchasing. Take sheet music with you if necessary. That’s really the best way to determine if the occasional loud note is going to both affect and bother you. It didn’t occur that often nor did it bother me enough, when it did, to steer me away from the action I liked best.


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798785
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Originally Posted by Eienkei
I went back to the shop, the NU1X really feels great and I liked it a lot, however, the "defect" thread has made me dubious about this choice. How big of an issue is it?


I have my NU1X since three weeks and i didn't experienced one loud note (expect the ones i played because of bad technique). I think the discussion is a bit over the top.


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: pwl] #2798806
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Originally Posted by pwl
Pete14's post earlier in this thread addresses the "defect". I don't know of anyone who owns the NU1/NU1X for whom it's a disqualifier.

Well, it was a disqualifier for Egorbopol, the OP of the original "NU1X defect" thread. So much of a disqualifier that he exchanged it for an N1 and wrote:
Originally Posted by Egorbopol
I'm very happy to have that Nu1x out of my home, and am very happy to have the N1 in it's place.

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798887
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I spent some time in the shop and compared the action of NU1X and 685 (and some other digitals) to acoustic and grands, the DPs other than NU1X were really nothing like acoutics, they were stiff and heavy but NU1X really was like an acoustic in my opinion. I had half the budget dedicated and was going for 645 but the difference in look and feel made me want the NU1X!
Music sheet is a good idea, I will bring it tomorrow for a last time and then decide!

Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Tyr] #2798972
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Originally Posted by Tyr
Originally Posted by Eienkei
I went back to the shop, the NU1X really feels great and I liked it a lot, however, the "defect" thread has made me dubious about this choice. How big of an issue is it?


I have my NU1X since three weeks and i didn't experienced one loud note (expect the ones i played because of bad technique). I think the discussion is a bit over the top.

What kind of music do you play? I hit this issue every time I play a NU1X in the Yamaha dealership. Without specifically trying to reproduce it, just playing classical music.


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: Eienkei] #2798996
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I think I have experienced this with my NU1X. It's hard to tell at times because my playing is very heavy and not consistent. (I never realized how bad my spinet was until recently. Notice how I deflected and blamed it on the old piano and not me?) What is strange is it has only happened when I am practicing a piece by section and not when I play it through. I purchased the NU1X knowing about the issue and having had it now for 5 days I can say it has exceeded my expectations. I can't quantify it but in this price range this is what felt the most like I was sitting down at an acoustic piano. It is just a fun piano to play. Keep in mind before I looked at DPs I was thinking about getting an acoustic upright. Getting a grand piano was never considered. The primary reason for a DP was to use headphones. Also my playing ability is such that the difference in keyboard from a good upright and a grand piano would have no affect on how I play at this time.

One thought on how different people view this is what their expectations are. The NU1X uses a upright action and from what I have read this is caused by something to do with the action where in an acoustic piano the key would produce no sound but on the NU1X it produces a loud sound. While no sound could be preferable I wonder if even that would be acceptable to people who find this issue a deal breaker. While the sound of the NU1X is modeled after a grand piano the action is clearly that of an upright. From my reading of these forums for the past few months the goal of many is the pursuit of a grand piano action, not an upright. I have read numerous postings on that feature alone would disqualify the NU1X. It may be that some people are playing at a higher level with higher expectations that makes this a deal breaker for them. This is not a knock on those people. There are many different people here on these forums with different goals. I don't think there is one perfect DP out there that meets everyone's needs. For myself and what I was looking for in a DP the NU1X checked off all of the boxes. As I mentioned above it has exceeded my expectations.


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Originally Posted by Tyr

I have my NU1X since three weeks and i didn't experienced one loud note (expect the ones i played because of bad technique). I think the discussion is a bit over the top.


TBF, it IS more or less a technique issue. On an acoustic upright, you would have missed the note completely, and the piano wouldn't have been blamed for it. I think the difference is that it's easier to ignore a missed note (happens to all of us) than to hear a clearly stridently and misplaced loud note instead, but both are caused by the same error in technique made by the pianist.


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I wouldn’t call this a pianist error. Or error at all. It’s a limitation of upright pianos and I bet it would happen to even the most experienced pianists since there’s no recipe on how to avoid it. It just so happens from time to time and some call it jamming. One way to reproduce it is quiet repetitions/trills with or without releasing fully. It’s some sort of unsync between the escapement and the key but you won’t say to a pianist: “don’t play quiet repetition/trills since that’s an error”, right? smile


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Re: Help me choose between Yamaha CLP-685 and NUX1 [Re: CyberGene] #2799057
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I wouldn’t call this a pianist error. Or error at all. It’s a limitation of upright pianos and I bet it would happen to even the most experienced pianists since there’s no recipe on how to avoid it. It just so happens from time to time and some call it jamming. One way to reproduce it is quiet repetitions/trills with or without releasing fully. It’s some sort of unsync between the escapement and the key but you won’t say to a pianist: “don’t play quiet repetition/trills since that’s an error”, right? smile

Hmm, I see what you are saying, but I would disagree. Yes, if you play in a way that makes the instrument misbehave (because of the intrinsic ways how the instrument works, in this case the upright action), then it *is* your fault. You need to adjust your technique to cope with the instrument.

Imagine a pianist who is forced to perform moonlight sonata 1st movement on a (for whatever reason) badly regulated grand where proper p is very difficult and pp impossible. He would have to adjust his playing because he can hardly finish the performance and then turn to the audience saying "sorry that half of the notes were missing, it it's the fault of the piano. My technique is flawless, believe me, the piano just can't cope with it".

Or imagine a pianist who needs to perform on an upright, playing a piece with quiet repetition/trills. He too needs to adapt to work around the action's tendency to jam in these conditions. An excuse to the audience like "sorry, my trills were perfect, it's just the upright action that can't deal with them" won't cut it.

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Well, to a certain degree I agree with you but what I was trying to say is this “jamming” isn’t very determinate and isn’t 100% reproducible. If it was 100%, then yes, it’s pianist error to not work around it.

However let’s say it happens in 1% of quiet trills. Then should you avoid quiet trills at all? Should you ruin the piece with loud trills instead? Maybe a pianist would rather sacrifice one loud note for proper execution of the quiet trill? Which BTW is the reason why some people don’t find this a deal breaker and can live with the occasional occurrence of loud notes. Whereas others are more picky, more obsessive about perfection and would be irritated by the sheer presence of that deficiency.


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Originally Posted by JoBert
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"sorry that half of the notes were missing, it it's the fault of the piano. My technique is flawless, believe me, the piano just can't cope with it".
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Taking this down another path this is my one problem with the NU1X. With my old spinet I could rationalize that it wasn't me, it was the piano. I was playing great, the piano just couldn't handle it. Now that excuse has gone out the window. It's all on me. frown


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Originally Posted by JoBert

Hmm, I see what you are saying, but I would disagree.


I would also disagree. In essence, CG is saying, "if you don't want to experience an acoustic upright behavior, don't play an acoustic upright."However, a pianist has to adapt to the instrument they play, and if an upright "binds" on repetition, it binds on repetition regardless of whether it goes silent or loud, It's up to the pianist to decide how they want to deal with that situation (the ideal being that the piece is played without any binding of the action at all, regardless of how it manifests). From a buyer's perspective, I can fully appreciate that this may not be what people want in their instrument, but IMHO it's an artifact of technique.


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