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Re: My Roland SuperNATURAL review
thickfingers #2797429 01/01/19 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by thickfingers
BTW--re the "seedi" ness referred to earlier--thought you were (or might be) a character calling himself "Seedy" I tangled with(!) a few times on another board (not music related--for UK expats in BG). Happens to live in Sofia


Ohh, I see. Well, I’m a native Bulgarian smile Which I thought would be apparent from my not so perfect English. BTW, I had to look up the meaning of “seedy” when referred to food in the other thread because I didn’t initially understand what you meant smile But kind of thought it might be a tongue in cheek comment, so it now makes sense smile

Sorry for the off topic!


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I guess we got the Roland covered, but what do you think of this lovely piano sound?


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Artur Gajewski #2797483 01/01/19 01:24 PM
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The F 140 is a nice piece o' kit for a nice price. Similar, comes the RP501 which enables a closed lid and retains music stand function. I'd have gone for that . . . .


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This thread proves that one should go and test pianos live instead of watching videos on youtube and make a decision. I spent about two hours at a music store testing out F-140R with and without headphones and also with speakers 100% volume. If you don't have a store nearby, I would make a road trip to one instead of buying without testing.


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Uh oh, Bongo! Well, nearly.
https://youtu.be/fGVQrk9_5ns

Re: My Roland SuperNATURAL review
Artur Gajewski #2797741 01/02/19 08:30 AM
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All of this makes me want to give Roland a go. I last saw a Roland in 2008. I ended up buying the Yamaha.

But a lot has transpired ten years, and I think it's time to have another look. I hope, though, that there are no bongos.

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All of this makes me want to give Roland a go. I last saw a Roland in 2008. I ended up buying the Yamaha. But a lot has transpired ten years, and I think it's time to have another look. I hope, though, that there are no bongos.

No time like the present to find out if you have genetically mutated hearing cognition. May be the inspiration you've been looking for, musical direction wise. Bongos--you're normal. No bongos--mutant. Ugghhh! Shun him! Cast him out!

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I just don't get it where you get bongos from? Are you talking about the hammer sound when you press a key?


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Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
I just don't get it where you get bongos from? Are you talking about the hammer sound when you press a key?

Oh noes. This is yet another bongo thread!


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Artur Gajewski
I just don't get it where you get bongos from? Are you talking about the hammer sound when you press a key?

Oh noes. This is yet another bongo thread!


So much discussion but still there is no mp3 or wav of the A3 bongo, makes me think this is a troll laugh


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Artur Gajewski #2798041 01/03/19 08:44 AM
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I just don't get it where you get bongos from? Are you talking about the hammer sound when you press a key?

Oh noes. This is yet another bongo thread!


So much discussion but still there is no mp3 or wav of the A3 bongo, makes me think this is a troll laugh

This probably is simply another example of the Laurel vs Yanny debate. Those who hear bongos are probably less sensitive to higher frequency sounds as a normal part of the aging process, than those who hear normal piano keys are. If you hear more of the bass components of a piano note, then things will sound a bit more drum-like, I imagine.

I don't think it is fair to call troll just because you hear differently. If you were in the "Laurel" camp, you'd hardly call those in the "Yanny" camp, trolls, would you? We all just hear differently and consequently perceive the world differently, depending on age, gender, etc.


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Re: My Roland SuperNATURAL review
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Yes, everyone's hearing differs. But still ... a posted recording would help settle the issue.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, everyone's hearing differs. But still ... a posted recording would help settle the issue.

Since I have the exact same piano (FP30), I would be happy to post a snippet of the A3 piano sound(s) from the FP30, even with a few different virtual piano instruments, and then you can all judge if it is bongo or nay. But whether you hear piano, or bongo, I don't think this settles the "Yanny vs. Laurel" debate since that is in one's head and not in the instrument. I'll post something later today.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Those who hear bongos are probably less sensitive to higher frequency sounds as a normal part of the aging process, than those who hear normal piano keys are. If you hear more of the bass components of a piano note, then things will sound a bit more drum-like,.

Forgetting something? The bongos disappear on Pianoteq!
ERGO:
It 's the DP, with its SuperNATURAL engine, is the bongo source.
BTW what will Sloth look like if the bongos disappear on his A4 (4!) upload? It's why I haven't bothered--if they're absent from a YouTube vid, why would they survive a forum member's personal upload? I await your valiant gesture, Sloth. Yanny...who's that? Dunno.

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Originally Posted by thickfingers
Forgetting something? The bongos disappear on Pianoteq!

Since piano notes are composed of a spectrum of frequencies and different pianos (and virtual instruments) would have different spectra for the same note, that alone could account for you difference in perception. Just saying that the bongos disappearing on Pianoteq don't mean I'm wrong smile

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I await your valiant gesture, Sloth.

OK. Will be doing a bit later today.

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Yanny...who's that? Dunno.

In the meantime, enjoy this aural perception test (Yanny vs. Laurel), which I feel is relevant to the discussion of the last few posts:


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, everyone's hearing differs. But still ... a posted recording would help settle the issue.

Everyone's differs? There are seven billion different perceptions of a particular sound? Or...you forgot a specifier, Mr Mac?
Would help settle? Depends (as mentioned on the Yanny/laurel vid) on what internet device you're hearing it. Mine (cheap Android tablet, at the moment) would be useless as a comparison device--sounds like a kid's battery walkietalkie. Can't see that any internet device--unless you're in the habit of using quality phones with it--would be any good for that. I hear the bongos WHEN PLAYING. Not on vids or any other facsimile (of this GP facsimile).

Artur's troll jibe--presumably driven by something similar to the "sensitivity" that Pianoteq proponents exhibit (CyberGene's comment), but also by (some) FP30 lovers.
Shouldn't (IMO) be injured--rather, count yourself lucky you have what you want out of the box. I only got it by augmentation--Pianoteq. The fact that, for example, some find their Steinway D to be awful really doesn't matter a jot to me: I love it, whatever anyone says. The fact that Roland got it right for you, Artur, should be gratifying. I'm not a troll--just came on here because I've started learning piano again. Wanted it to be as enjoyable as possible--no bongo jarring ruining my enjoyment.

Sloth--where's the audio clip? smile Be interested to see what is made of it.

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Sloth--where's the audio clip? smile

Ask, and ye shall receive.


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Oh. Thought it was going to be a clip of your Roland bongo machine.
I heard "laurel"... can't imagine anyone hearing otherwise.

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Could you post a clip of the note(s) which sounds to you like a bongo? It would be appreciated a lot as I'm sure I'm not the only one who is keen to hear it. We can use good audio equipment to listen to it just as you would for listening critically to music or assessing a new instrument online.

On the aural illusion, I'm almost certain I heard laurel last year and never yanni. But now I only hear yanni.


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Yes, my hearing differs from yours. How can there be any doubt?
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Yes, everyone's hearing differs.

You're stuck on the Yanny/Laurel nonsense. It's not relevant.
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But still ... a posted recording would help settle the issue.
Would help settle? Depends (as mentioned on the Yanny/laurel vid) on what internet device you're hearing it.
I want to hear the OP's piano with the purported bongo sound. I want to hear the bongos ... or not.

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