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I would appreciate advice on which grand piano to buy. I am looking at tge Sauter Omega 220 or Shirega Kawai S5/S6 or Steinway B211-thank you for your help-kind regards Tony

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Re: New Grand Piano [Re: TonyBone28] #2797695
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If you’re able to buy a piano in this list but still don’t know which one to choose, just take the most expensive


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The 3 pianos are different from each other.

Steinway will be different also depending whether it is a Hamburg or New York model.

Therefore most probably you will like one of them more over the other two.

So it is you to decide which one to buy.

Re: New Grand Piano [Re: TonyBone28] #2797722
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Originally Posted by TonyBone28
I would appreciate advice on which grand piano to buy. I am looking at tge Sauter Omega 220 or Shirega Kawai S5/S6 or Steinway B211-thank you for your help-kind regards Tony


Hopefully you have played all three. Which of the three did YOU prefer? That is the one I would buy if I were you.


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Hamburg Steinway B? Sauter Omega? Shigeru Kawai SK6? They’re different from each other, but they are all amazing options. I would base my choice on the individual pianos you’re trying at stores, since no two Steinways, Sauters, or Shigerus will be identical. This question is impossible to answer as a third party, from a computer screen. There are very few people who have played a brand new one of all these pianos, anyway.


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Since you live in Austrailia, the Steinway B was most likely made in Hamburg, Germany. The Steiniway B, New York or Hamburg, is a world-class instrument, as is the Sauter and the Kawai. In the end, it's up to you and your taste in pianos. Are there more details you can share? Are they all brand new or used? If used, what are the years of production? Do you know any of the history of these instruments? What are the price differences between them?

I think the majority of posters here on PW are based in the USA -- so keep that in mind. ;-)

Re: New Grand Piano [Re: TonyBone28] #2797771
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The 3 pianos you mentioned are all considered Tier 1 pianos so if they are all new, pick the one you like or love the best. Many here on PW are truly envious of your being able to afford such gorgeous pianos. If they’re not new, ask your Piano Tech for a report on the finalists. If the piano gets a thumbs up from your expert, buy it and practice, play it and enjoy every day the fabulous singing tone, clear treble, growling base and expressiveness of your Tier 1 piano. Congratulations!


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Thank you all for your helpful advice-it is appreciated.

Kind regards
Tony

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Originally Posted by j&j
The 3 pianos you mentioned are all considered Tier 1 pianos so if they are all new, pick the one you like or love the best.
Hamburg Steinway is Tier 1, Sauter is Tier 2, and Shigeru is Tier 3 although those differences in the Fine tiers include a prestige ranking which is somewhat moot IMO. I agree that all three are sensationally good and personal preference among the individual pianos should be the deciding factor.

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Having played the Sauter Ambiant grand which is the same
size as the Omega, I can only say I thought it was amazing.
To me it had a wonderful clarity in all ranges ,a lush singing
treble and of course a really powerful clear bass .I would
describe it as a really creative tone .
I am of course a lover of Sauter pianos and have a Sauter
upright so am being rather subjective .
There are members of Piano World who own the Omega grands
perhaps they would like to also say something.
I cannot compare the Sauter to the other 2 instruments as
I have never played them .I have played the New York Steinway
which of course is also a great instrument.
Good luck on your exciting choice .

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Thank you for your feedback-much appreciated

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I don't know the pricing in Australia, but the 3 models are generally closer in performance than in price. The Sauter has a bit of a size advantage, but Steinway & Kawai both have larger options. The SK5 is at a size disadvantage, so you may want to make the choice of SK5 vs SK6 first.

At this level, if your decision is not significantly impacted by price differences, the piano should satisfy you at an emotional level, and the general advice available here is more of a discussion of experiences...food for thought.

I've had positive, emotional experiences with Sauter 220's (2 for 2), Hamburg B's (most, not all). I've appreciated the few SK5 & SK6 models I've had opportunity with, but my positive, emotional experience was mostly with the SK7's.


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I would really love the Sauter, but that's just me. The Shigeru is amazing too, and a nice Steinway B, is a wonderful thing. I don't know about prices in Australia, but I'd also consider the Steingraeber 232.

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Thank you Johnstaf

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Hi Tony, I was going to send you a PM but figured you would probably not check your mail as you are new here.

It's funny to find somebody shopping for the exact same instruments as I did, but I suppose that's more an indictment of the piano market here in Sydney. I liked the Sauter a great deal and found it had significantly more colour than the SK6 in the same showroom. Of course, the dealer said he hadn't prepped the Shigeru yet so I'm not sure it was an apples to apples comparison.

My wife preferred a Steinway from a different dealer, and as you know, what wife says goes.

If you just want a good piano and don't mind the lack of an established brand, you should consider an Overs 225. You can call Ron Overs in Concord and he'll arrange a test drive for you. It's roughly the same price as the Omega.

Please check your mail, I'd love to know how much you bargained each down to.

Cheers,
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Thanks very much John

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I know that I've come across an SK5 that I'm considering selling a kidney to afford. grin wink


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I know that I've come across an SK5 that I'm considering selling a kidney to afford. grin wink
Really love the Millennium action, and it has a warm, rich tone that I preferred to the SK6. It may just be a particularly fine example, but I know that I could happily live with that as my forever piano.

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Re: New Grand Piano [Re: TonyBone28] #2799260
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Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


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Originally Posted by Jami Grant
Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


Why would you necessarily think that the OP is a professionally trained pianist based solely on the options he mentions? The statement that "... most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway" reads more like Steinway hype than actual fact.

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Originally Posted by Jami Grant
Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


In what way is the Steinway better than the other pianos mentioned?

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by Jami Grant
Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


In what way is the Steinway better than the other pianos mentioned?


In only one way: it’s a Hamburg made Steinway.


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I m just joining your discussion, although I’m only a beginner and of course, I would like to afford those pianos but, they are like bottle of wine:

Just hide the brand, play blind and I’m pretty sure you would be surprised....

:-)

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Thank you

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Not a professional pianist myself but played on many models throughout the many years of passion for the piano.

I don't have much experience with Sauter Omega 220 so I can only comment on the remaining two.

For "face", get the Steinway, no matter if it's Hamburg of New York, though many will argue that the Hamburg ones are better. People will walk in your home and give you the thumbs up because you have a "Steinway".

For "best bang for the buck", get the Shigeru Kawai. These are beautifully made high quality Japanese pianos that will give you years and maybe even decades of enjoyment. People will walk in your home and say, “Oh, I've heard of these but never got the chance to play them. May I?"

But then again, you can blindfold yourself playing all three pianos and you'd be surprised which piano you thought was the "one".

Anyway, good luck and tell us which piano you got in the end.

Michael

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Originally Posted by Jami Grant
Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


How many professional pianists and composers can afford a brand new seven foot Steinway? All the concert pianists round my way are lucky to have an upright Yamaha U2 at their homes. I'm curious what sort of piano playing earns enough to be afford to buy something that costs more than a house. Conversely if the people buying these pianos for private use have a highly paid professional job like a lawyer or banker when do they have time to keep their playing at a professional level?

In other words, I can understand buying such a piano for a public building like a conservatoire or concert hall, but what sorts of people would buy one for their home? Genuine question!

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With due respect, I don't think one needs to be a professional player to appreciate a high-quality instrument. If you enjoy playing, and can afford the instrument, what's the problem?


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Originally Posted by Jack Knuckle
what sorts of people would buy one for their home? Genuine question!


Rich people, obviously.


I'm not saying that this as a bad thing. If rich people stopped buying Steinways or Bosendorfers, they would go bankrupt immediately.

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That’s why I wrote: if one can’t choose which brand new piano to buy in the list of choice, just pick the most expensive


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Originally Posted by Jack Knuckle


How many professional pianists and composers can afford a brand new seven foot Steinway? All the concert pianists round my way are lucky to have an upright Yamaha U2 at their homes. I'm curious what sort of piano playing earns enough to be afford to buy something that costs more than a house. Conversely if the people buying these pianos for private use have a highly paid professional job like a lawyer or banker when do they have time to keep their playing at a professional level?

In other words, I can understand buying such a piano for a public building like a conservatoire or concert hall, but what sorts of people would buy one for their home? Genuine question!


Family money or partners who are highly paid professionals.


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Originally Posted by DDobs
With due respect, I don't think one needs to be a professional player to appreciate a high-quality instrument. If you enjoy playing, and can afford the instrument, what's the problem?

Must agree with this sentiment!


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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
Originally Posted by DDobs
With due respect, I don't think one needs to be a professional player to appreciate a high-quality instrument. If you enjoy playing, and can afford the instrument, what's the problem?

Must agree with this sentiment!
It's probable that a professional could hear and feel things that a non pro wouldn't. But that's not at all the same as saying a non-pro couldn't appreciate a high quality piano or hear/feel differences between a high quality and lesser quality piano.

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I had no idea the value of the pianos mentioned, so I just did some exploring on the Internet.

“A 10-year-old Steinway in good condition, usually sells for about 75 percent of the current retail price, which goes up about 4 percent each year.” “Over the past decade, the price on the classic Steinway Model B grand piano–currently $81,200–increased 48%, far outpacing the 29% rise in inflation.”

Just thought this was interesting.


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Interesting Read. Which Piano Brands do Top Pianist Prefer

https://www.allpianos.com/piano-brands-top-concert-pianists-prefer


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Interesting Read. Which Piano Brands do Top Pianist Prefer

https://www.allpianos.com/piano-brands-top-concert-pianists-prefer

That was a quick, interesting read. Thanks!


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What kind of people buy concert grands for their homes? Ones that have big homes, obviously. I've heard about a professional pianist having three Steinway D's in his New York apartment, but he admitted it was far from practical.
On the other hand, a seven-foot piano is so much better than a six-footer that you should make room if you can.
The article just referenced struck me as vague and uninformative. John Lennon played a Steinway, not a Bechstein. Those 19th Century virtuosos would recommend any piano for a price. I've seen a photo of Franz Liszt playing a Chickering square with apparent pleasure.
Does anybody know what Sergei Rachmaninoff played when he was in Russia? It must have had a good bass to do justice to the "Bells of Moscow" Prelude.
The mention of Glenn Gould recording the Goldberg Variations brings up one of my aversions: people who play Bach on pianos instead of harpsichords. Tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. The Chromatic Fantasy is SUPPOSED to sound like a bucket of hardware falling down three flights of stairs.

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If people do not buy these incredible pianos all the piano
manufacturers will end up being owned.by companies
in China .
Also what will happen to the piano dealers?

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Originally Posted by edferris
What kind of people buy concert grands for their homes? Ones that have big homes, obviously. I've heard about a professional pianist having three Steinway D's in his New York apartment, but he admitted it was far from practical.
On the other hand, a seven-foot piano is so much better than a six-footer that you should make room if you can.
The article just referenced struck me as vague and uninformative. John Lennon played a Steinway, not a Bechstein. Those 19th Century virtuosos would recommend any piano for a price. I've seen a photo of Franz Liszt playing a Chickering square with apparent pleasure.
Does anybody know what Sergei Rachmaninoff played when he was in Russia? It must have had a good bass to do justice to the "Bells of Moscow" Prelude.
The mention of Glenn Gould recording the Goldberg Variations brings up one of my aversions: people who play Bach on pianos instead of harpsichords. Tinkle, tinkle, tinkle. The Chromatic Fantasy is SUPPOSED to sound like a bucket of hardware falling down three flights of stairs.

Same thing if Bach was only played on harpsichords we would never hear Bachs keyboard music .While I like organ and harpsichord music many do not .
The Italian Concerto for me only sounds great on the piano yet the
keyboard concertos I prefer only played on the harpsichord with the orchestra. Performance practice is an interesting subject to pursue though .

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In other words, I can understand buying such a piano for a public building like a conservatoire or concert hall, but what sorts of people would buy one for their home?


When concert grands get a little too old for a concert venue, the price drops like a stone. You can find some very nice Baldwins in the $20K - 40K range. The people who choose them over a new Asian piano are only different in that they're willing to devote that much floor space to a piano.


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It was never my intention to sound judgemental when I posed the question about how many professional pianists (ie those who play for a living) can afford such instruments, though my mind boggles at some of the responses to my question - in particular the reference to a professional pianist who can afford not only to have three Steinway Ds but who can afford a New York flat big enough to house them! Most professional musicians I know are lucky to have a small Yamaha grand piano - maybe the pay and career prospects are better on the other side of the Atlantic!

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It appears that concert pianist make about $69,000 a year

https://www.comparably.com/salaries/salaries-for-concert-pianist (web page is dated 2019).

It is unfortunate that musicians on average barely make enough to live, (2018 data)

https://www.complex.com/music/2018/06/the-average-us-musician-makes-less-than-25000-a-year

Those that purchase high end instruments must have other employment to support their music.

Ladybird, what happened to the piano dealers? You may enjoy this article on piano store closings. There was a store about 30 minutes away from me where I bought my piano, he had taken over the family business and retired about 2 years ago. No one has picked up his business. I think most people are interested in DP, there light, portable, can be less expensive, minimum maintenance, have different sound options etc..... However for me there is nothing like a nice acoustic piano.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ing-kids-snub-lessons-compete-technology


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Thank you DFSRN ,
Yes it is to me sad that is happening ,but one can only hope
that something may cause people to see the real value in learning
the piano on the accoustic instrument.

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Originally Posted by DFSRN
It appears that concert pianist make about $69,000 a year

https://www.comparably.com/salaries/salaries-for-concert-pianist (web page is dated 2019).


It would be nice if they would explain what they mean by "concert pianist" - otherwise this survey means absolutely nothing.

I didn't realize that concert pianists received annual "bonuses." grin


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I think the variation in income amongst concert pianists might be more than most professions. Many of those who can't live off their concert fees probably teach, so their income is mainly that of a piano teacher. Is a pianist who teaches and plays twenty paid concerts a year counted as a concert pianist or a teacher? I know someone (not very well) who was paid over 200,000 euro per annum in a conservatory as well as charging 10,000 per gig. Others are in mediocre teaching jobs, and would be lucky to get more than a few thousand a year from their playing.

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It appears that concert pianist make about $69,000 a year

https://www.comparably.com/salaries/salaries-for-concert-pianist (web page is dated 2019).


It would be nice if they would explain what they mean by "concert pianist" - otherwise this survey means absolutely nothing.

I didn't realize that concert pianists received annual "bonuses." grin

Exactly. Without an explanation the figure is almost meaningless. Does it include professional pianists who teach? Is the income figure based only on performance fees? Most professional pianists teach piano, and if they have a reasonably large studio or teach at a university/college their income will probably be more than 69K.

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Originally Posted by DFSRN
It appears that concert pianist make about $69,000 a year

https://www.comparably.com/salaries/salaries-for-concert-pianist (web page is dated 2019).

It is unfortunate that musicians on average barely make enough to live, (2018 data)

https://www.complex.com/music/2018/06/the-average-us-musician-makes-less-than-25000-a-year

Those that purchase high end instruments must have other employment to support their music.

Ladybird, what happened to the piano dealers? You may enjoy this article on piano store closings. There was a store about 30 minutes away from me where I bought my piano, he had taken over the family business and retired about 2 years ago. No one has picked up his business. I think most people are interested in DP, there light, portable, can be less expensive, minimum maintenance, have different sound options etc..... However for me there is nothing like a nice acoustic piano.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ing-kids-snub-lessons-compete-technology




Another sad story....too many of them...


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quote: John Sprung
When concert grands get a little too old for a concert venue, the price drops like a stone. You can find some very nice Baldwins in the $20K - 40K range. The people who choose them over a new Asian piano are only different in that they're willing to devote that much floor space to a piano.


There are many reasons why you can get such good prices on a few year's old concert grands beyond just lessened demand due to floor space constrictions. These grands are scaled to be heard best at least 8ft away from the open lid side. You can only do so much with hammer voicing/replacement to compensate. Concert grands are also scaled to sound best in a concert hall. A markedly oversized grand like this in even a good sized livingroom can produce harsh reflections from the walls. Again regulating the room can only do so much. One recent poster described harsh sounds on a piano that was only moderately oversized for the room (he described different notes' always sounding harsh, even when he repositioned the piano).
One solution for some owners is to keep the lid closed on their concert grands. Not everyone does, but some may actually prefer the sound this way to the magnitude of their piano's sound with the lid open. There are always exceptions, Seymour Bernstein kept a S&S D in his New York studio apartment at short stick.

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Carey I agree, according to Collins Dictionary concert pianist "a person who earns a living from giving solo performances on the piano in front of audiences." This definition is subjective. I think of concert pianist is one that plays with an orchestra/symphony. I think of concert pianist being highly skilled like someone who would play like those in the Van Cliburn competition. Not suggesting he/she has to compete in the competition, what I am referring to is the skill level of those people.


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Lady Bird, I think we have to address the real value of a music education first. I think people may look at arts education at something extra not needed, when in fact this type of education helps children with academics. The DP has its place, but there is nothing like the feel and the sound of a nice acoustic piano.

Related to academic achievement is success in the workforce. The Backstreet Boys state that, “Practicing music reinforces teamwork, communication skills, self-discipline, and creativity” (Why Music?). These qualities are all highly sought out in the workplace. Creativity, for example, is, “one of the top-five skills important for success in the workforce,” according to Lichtenberg, Woock, and Wright (Arts Education Partnership 5). Participation in music enhances a student’s creativeness. Willie Jolley, a world-class professional speaker, states that his experience with musical improvisation has benefited him greatly regarding business. Because situations do not always go as planned, one has to improvise, and come up with new strategies (Thiers, et. al). This type of situation can happen in any job; and when it does, creativity is key. Similarly, music strengthens a person’s perseverance and self-esteem—both qualities that are essential in having a successful career (Arts Education Partnership 5). Thus, music education can contribute to students’ future careers and occupational endeavors (Kalivretenos)


My high school (I am 58) had an orchestra and a band. I had taken violin for 10 years and played with the youth symphony. I had also taken piano for 5. I was stupid and quit when I was 18. I will have completed 5 years of piano lessons this July. Because I had that music experience growing up, that cultivated an interest when I was older.

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https://thehumanist.com/features/articles/the-importance-of-music-education


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I agree. School is the place for participation in the arts .Today however music education has been diluted .Sports seems to be what
is important.Early exposure to hearing and playing music is no longer
seen as important.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I agree. School is the place for participation in the arts .Today however music education has been diluted .Sports seems to be what
is important.Early exposure to hearing and playing music is no longer
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Sadly, I agree here.


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