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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Wow! Great space! Love your wall charts!


Thank you. My husband has made that for me, I always had problems with the ledgerlines. Now I look up and I know where to go. Especially that middle page underneath is a great help. I always searched for symetry in the notes reading and never found it until I came across this on the Internet. Treble C and G and Bass C and F are indeed Symetrisch placed on the lines. smile


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Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?


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Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?

More from 16 to 17, I miss always the low F to do the chords again. And my left hand has a will of its own :p


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Rider fast in Level 3 E is killing me, anyone have any tips or suggestions? Its the last one for level 3...I want it finished this year smile

Good to see you are still plugging away at this! What are you having trouble with? The transition from measure 8 to 9?

More from 16 to 17, I miss always the low F to do the chords again. And my left hand has a will of its own :p

Oh, I remember this smile

Yes, I just highlighted in PM only measures 16 & 17 and just played only those two measures at various increasing tempos with LH only and hands together (HT), as well as with increasing tempos, and also by not looking at my hands. I think after doing only those two measures for about 30 mins, and not looking at my hands, my problem was solved when playing the entire thing at tempo. In my case, looking at my hands at the critical point of the transition cluttered my mind and made me miss on the first beat of 17 (I'd over- or undershoot). Not looking at my hands and using proprioception kept my mind clutter-free at full tempo. After I had these two bars wired, in expanding to the full piece, I then tried to get bars 15-18 wired, and bars 14-19, by expanding the highlighted measures in two discrete steps. After 14-19, I was able to do the entire piece.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Oh, I remember this smile

Yes, I just highlighted in PM only measures 16 & 17 and just played only those two measures at various increasing tempos with LH only and hands together (HT), as well as with increasing tempos, and also by not looking at my hands. I think after doing only those two measures for about 30 mins, and not looking at my hands, my problem was solved when playing the entire thing at tempo. In my case, looking at my hands at the critical point of the transition cluttered my mind and made me miss on the first beat of 17 (I'd over- or undershoot). Not looking at my hands and using proprioception kept my mind clutter-free at full tempo. After I had these two bars wired, in expanding to the full piece, I then tried to get bars 15-18 wired, and bars 14-19, by expanding the highlighted measures in two discrete steps. After 14-19, I was able to do the entire piece.


Many thanks, I recognize the problem now, normally I never look at my fingers, but at such a great displacement I do that automatically and then I am afraid of where my fingers are located, done with playing frown. I'm going to try your trick, I still have about 11 days, that should succeed. I also pasted a small piece of coloured tape on the low F, then I find it quicker again if I look at it again. Its hard....level 4A seems lighter. smile


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Many thanks, I recognize the problem now, normally I never look at my fingers, but at such a great displacement I do that automatically and then I am afraid of where my fingers are located, done with playing frown. I'm going to try your trick, I still have about 11 days, that should succeed. I also pasted a small piece of coloured tape on the low F, then I find it quicker again if I look at it again. Its hard....level 4A seems lighter. smile

You should try it without looking at the tape. I missed a lot, but certainly after 30 mins, I was able to get it 90% of the time without looking away from the score/screen, just by training my proprioception "sense" for those 30 mins through sheer repetition. Not looking at all made it go so much smoother. Because I would miss alot during my "training" is also the reason I narrowed my practice window in PM to only those two measures. So I could do over and over and over again.

BTW, I found when I thought about it (but didn't look), I would sometimes miss, but when I didn't think about it and just moved my hand (without looking), I would 90% of the hit the right note. I think this shows that it is possible to overthink some things.


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Re: Other people do Piano Marvel?
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You should try it without looking at the tape. I missed a lot, but certainly after 30 mins, I was able to get it 90% of the time without looking away from the score/screen, just by training my proprioception "sense" for those 30 mins through sheer repetition. Not looking at all made it go so much smoother. Because I would miss alot during my "training" is also the reason I narrowed my practice window in PM to only those two measures. So I could do over and over and over again.

BTW, I found when I thought about it (but didn't look), I would sometimes miss, but when I didn't think about it and just moved my hand (without looking), I would 90% of the hit the right note. I think this shows that it is possible to overthink some things.


Note to myself, remove tape. laugh Yesterday I got 82% in fast, not bad. I don't really dare to not look at my hands because the pressure is too big. It's the last piece of level 3 where I have to pick up 100%, I don't want to miss that by not looking. I'm going to use your advice and try it in practice mode without looking, if it's for real I've got all the direction of my hand float right. I found an interesting YouTube about watching music/hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvY8KfXXgE Look all the way because only about half of it is about sheet music. In which level of Marvel are you already?


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I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh


Oh! that's good to know. I'm not that far yet but I'm going to keep that in mind for when I get there.


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Originally Posted by Sarah65
I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh

This is good you found a way to do it, but check that to do this stretch with thumb, you aren't having to twist/turn your hand. My teacher said when I was doing it on Clementi sonatina, that long stretches like this which require you to turn/twist hand are definitely not preferred for the reason of form and it is better to lift up your hand and place it down in the new position. For this reason, if you find the thumb under results in you twisting/turning your hand, you might still want to just also practice the proprioception thing also a few times and see if you can get it done that way, since that is considered better form than any twisting/turning to use thumb under. Of course if you can't then give up and come back to it later. In general, I understood that small thumb unders are ok when there are no twisting/turning (when you do a scale), but any big stretches put your hand in an awkward position and are considered bad form.


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I am back in the PianoMarvel world! After ten months of little playing and no instruction I am picking up where I left off. I think an interruption like that borders on criminally stupid but there's no going back in time. It was more work than I remembered but I have my monitor, mouse, keyboards, and everything set up for practice again. I also spent the better part of a day trying to get the software working again but I doubt if I could write a g-rated version of that! smile

I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just wanted to say I'm back. And I'm happy to see this thread is still alive.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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I found a way (not looking), at the end of mesure 16 finger 4 is on the low C; I tuck my thumb under it on the C and then pink comes automaticly (finger 5) on low F....and now full speed laugh

This is good you found a way to do it, but check that to do this stretch with thumb, you aren't having to twist/turn your hand. My teacher said when I was doing it on Clementi sonatina, that long stretches like this which require you to turn/twist hand are definitely not preferred for the reason of form and it is better to lift up your hand and place it down in the new position. For this reason, if you find the thumb under results in you twisting/turning your hand, you might still want to just also practice the proprioception thing also a few times and see if you can get it done that way, since that is considered better form than any twisting/turning to use thumb under. Of course if you can't then give up and come back to it later. In general, I understood that small thumb unders are ok when there are no twisting/turning (when you do a scale), but any big stretches put your hand in an awkward position and are considered bad form.


I have an extra problem with two feelingless fingers in my left hand, pink and ring finger. Moving the whole hand is not an option, because I don't feel where they are going to come down. I manage to do it, and I see no problem with rotating or stretching. It feels very natural to me, and at my age some more or less joint pain is also not a problem. Thanks for your concern though:) Today 96%... another trick I tried, play the song faster en then the normal speed (100) seems slower.


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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
I am back in the PianoMarvel world! After ten months of little playing and no instruction I am picking up where I left off. I think an interruption like that borders on criminally stupid but there's no going back in time. It was more work than I remembered but I have my monitor, mouse, keyboards, and everything set up for practice again. I also spent the better part of a day trying to get the software working again but I doubt if I could write a g-rated version of that! smile

I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just wanted to say I'm back. And I'm happy to see this thread is still alive.



Welcom back smile


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Finaly yeah laugh


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Finaly yeah laugh

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Congrats! I think I'm still in 3-D but I will get there.

I've only been back in for a day and I've already had to force myself to walk away. I am like a child on a video game with this software. I'll tell myself I'm going to try one more time to get 100% on a song or an exercise and an hour later I'm still saying one more time. The same exercises on paper would be torture for me. But there's something about seeing what I'm doing right & wrong without waiting a week to see my teacher that just makes me push on.

Now I'm not saying a person doesn't still need a teacher. I don't believe that for a second. It won't impart musicality to you. But it sure seems to help me (and I'll admit to being a sub-par music student) to learn to read.

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Thank you supporters. I spent almost 3 weeks on "Rider" piece by continuing to try to get the 100% at full speed. The trick with increasing speed has helped a lot I think, at last I could even get at 130 Bpm still 95%, my fingers just did their thing and I didn't have time to think. And that's what you end up having to be able I think. Spontaneous play:) It is indeed a very addictive game, I also can't stop before I get the 100%, also in practice mode on every part. I've done it about 2 years to accomplish this, and now I'm going to enjoy a bit and upload songs I like and learn to play them. Next year we'll be fighting with level 4 laugh


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It won't impart musicality to you.

Yes, I'm actually shocked about this since it was created by a DMA student. I don't understand why there isn't even a single video on piano technique associated with PM. Perhaps this is a very jaded view on piano training on PM's part, somewhat similar to the view the creators of Synthesia must also have.


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... now I'm going to enjoy a bit and upload songs I like and learn to play them.


Have you looked at the library. There is so much there.

Have you participated in any of the challenges?

I did quite a bit in the Christmas one and in the hymn one.

Think I'll go back to the method section and see if I can make some progress towards completing level 3.


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