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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2764605
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Thanks Lotus1.

If I can clarify, Roland has designed an excellent line of digital pianos with their hallmark, excellent sounding piano voice modelling. The action on the FP-90 is also excellent, making this keyboard really top-notch. I don't have anything against the (slightly) lighter touch actions like the FP-90 has -- it is actually easier to play it after having been conditioned on Yamaha's action! And switching back to playing the Yamaha from the FP-90 involves just a tiny effort to flip the "Yamaha muscle memory" back on and then you are on your way!

Before the P-515 came up, I was considering the P-255 and FP-90, but I decided to try the newer, though less-feature-filled P125, as it had the midi/audio-over-USB which I wanted to try. When the P125 proved inadequate, the sales person let me rent an FP-90 for consideration until the arrival of the P-515 which looks to have added more features: the midi/audio USB is back, 16 track recorder/re-recorder/sequencer, more XG instruments, wireless (Wi-Fi) LAN ability, and 50 Classics -- maybe not so great, but noteably missed since our Clavinova days!

Thanks, Lotus1 for the link to the other thread. As I read both these threads, I have to admire the passion of some of the posters to inform the rest of us about certain DP brands! Thanks guys! We were never on a quest to find the ultimate DP. And now after a little research and learning about available features on the new DP's, we rather would prefer a portable DP that is readily movable if we ever need, and that could be a great, compatible companion for our acoustic piano, with a few fun features and abilities included! But who knows, I still need to try the P-515 first! ...

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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Scruff Bucket] #2774608
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Hi Scruff Bucket,

Did you receive your new p515 yet?
I have very similar setting at my home with one grad piano (6'1) and Roland FP 30. I also have three kids who are starting to learn piano and practicing on both acoustic and digital pianos depends on the time of the day. I really like FP 30's action, but compare to the real grand piano, it feels too light expecially on action. I am using headphones for the FP 30 when I get to do my practice, so the amplication of the FP30 has not been a big problem.
I saw some reports that new NWX action is much heavier than Rolands PHA50 or PHAIII. I would like to hear your update on new Yamaha p515.
Thanks.

Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2775284
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Hi Eunhogim. Sorry, I don't check these posts often. Unfortunately and apparently, the P-515's release has been delayed all over (US and Canada, anyways). I spoke with the dealer this past Saturday (Oct. 20, 2018) and he told me from his conversations with Yamaha Canada, he would probably receive shipment of it in a couple weeks or so! Here's hoping! ...

I haven't been able to try any of the NWX Clavinova's yet, as this dealer does not carry cabinet/large-format Yamaha pianos, but their business hours are more favourable for me. The other Yamaha dealer around here does have extensive Yamaha inventory (acoustic, Clavinova, etc.), but has business hours are much less convenient for me!

I will update soon after I can actually touch it! smile

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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: halherta] #2777808
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Originally Posted by halherta
Yeah, If you use Pianoteq or any other VST (including QSynth with YC5 soundfonts [https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/] ...both can be had for free free) on a laptop/PC, the USB connection sends the MIDI signals from the piano to the Laptop/PC and receives USB audio from Laptop/PC to the Piano's onboard speakers. No need to attach speakers to your laptop, nor use the Piano's line In connection...if it has one. The only digital pianos that I'm aware of that do this are the P-515. P-125/121 and the Studiologic Numa compact 2x.


I have a Yamaha P-515 and I just came across this post.

I would like to explore this option.

It would seem that I need a cable with the same USB end on both ends of the cable in order to connect my computer with the USB port on my piano.

Correct ?



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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: dmd] #2777821
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Yes one USB cable. Plug one side in the P-515 and the other in the PC. The PC should detect a midi controller and a sound card (audio out/in) interface if you have the correct Steinberg driver installed.

Select the digital piano sound card as the output in your DAW / VST/ Pianoteq and audio (from your PC) plays through the P-515's speakers. Also be sure to select the digital piano's midi device as the midi in into your DAW/VST/Pianoteq. And you should be done. I was able to do this under Linux. However after a while, the audio interface crash. I'm assuming tha this is a Linux driver problem. You should have better luck under windows but I never tried. Oh BTW I tried this on the P-125 not the P-515. But both have USB Audio and midi over USB functionality.

For more info and location to download driver for windows check this document: https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/1094839/computer_en_rm_m0.pdf



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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2777834
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Halherta: Thank you for your help on setting it up. Got it working well.


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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: dmd] #2777841
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Originally Posted by dmd
It would seem that I need a cable with the same USB end on both ends of the cable in order to connect my computer with the USB port on my piano.

Correct ?


Incorrect if I understood it right. The P-515 side has a type B connector on the rear side. That is the one you must use to connect to the computer. The type A it has on the top is probably meant to connect only a USB flash drive to record songs and for software updates.

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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: EVC2017] #2777844
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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Originally Posted by dmd
It would seem that I need a cable with the same USB end on both ends of the cable in order to connect my computer with the USB port on my piano.

Correct ?


Incorrect if I understood it right. The P-515 side has a type B connector on the rear side. That is the one you must use to connect to the computer. The type A it has on the top is probably meant to connect only a USB flash drive to record songs and for software updates.


Yes …. you are right about that.


At first, I thought I would attach to the USB port on the top of the piano.

The USB to HOST port is on the back of the piano with a different type of connector port.

Luckily I had one of those cables on my Focusrite Audio Interface which I am not using at the moment.


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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2779014
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I finally recieved the Yamaha P515!

I had not tried the piano, and bought the piano based on my good experiences with Yamaha, having a P155, which I still own for 8+ years.
I had tried the CLP645 which has same action and sound engine as P515, prior to P515 coming out, except CLP is in upright digital piano style, I just preferred the portable style of piano, so when the P515 came out I was super excited.

The piano sounds amazing and looks beautiful. The action is far superior to the GH and is butter smooth. It is easier to articulate pieces softly, like Clair de Lune which I am about half way learning.
Doing runs up and down the piano is also easier than my P155's GH action, with more control. Especially when the runs require pressing multiple quater notes at same time and while continuing playing sixteen notes in same hand.

Speakers: more than sufficient for home playing and very robust, no distortion even at 80 percent volume.
Build quality: steller, appears very good, buttons feel nice.
Looks: I think it is very handsome looking piano, way better in real life than on pictures.

Pedal: I really liked that there is a material under the pedal that prevents it from slipping, which I was trying to figure out how to over come on my current p155's pedal, though both are FC4.


The user interface is also every nice looking with blue backlit buttons and tiny screen.

I will continue to explore the instrument since I just got it today and provide updates! I am very Excited and Happy so far ! Definitly upgrade to my p155, and I think best in its class in market right now.


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does anyone know , on p515, how to prevent it from auto shut off or delay the timer and also every time I turn it on I have to redo sound , piano room and reverb settings, I want it to save it , so if you turn on it goes back to what I had it set? I looked through the manual, but didn’t see

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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2781885
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Auto-shut off and times, the manual, page 15 and page 102.
Backup settings and restore, pages 105-6.


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Thanks you sir, it worked smile


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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2781921
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Thanks you sir, it worked smile

You are welcome. smile


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Re: Yamaha p515 vs Roland FP90 [Re: Jitin] #2791503
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So anyone who has tried both and have an opinion?

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Originally Posted by mzforte
So anyone who has tried both and have an opinion?


I have tried both. I bought a p515.
I think Roland action is faster than p515, however , I thought p515 action was smoother, bouncier, but heavier .
Also p515 has nwx action and fp90 has pha50, both these are found in some of their consoles as well.


Interms of sound p515 is far superior and is main reason why I picked it.

Speakers are similar through the wattage and size is ratted better on fp90.


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Hello scruff bucket
I have fp90 it's good action keyboard but I think it sounds nothing like a grand piano even using a good set of speakers . In fact it's dreadful notes down from middle c sound dull and unlike a piano. The piano designer feature is useless ,Makes it sound more Roland poor for the money.
Im going to exchange mine soon hate it I've tried to like it but hate it .

John

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Originally Posted by Solderman
Hello scruff bucket
I have fp90 it's good action keyboard but I think it sounds nothing like a grand piano even using a good set of speakers . In fact it's dreadful notes down from middle c sound dull and unlike a piano. The piano designer feature is useless ,Makes it sound more Roland poor for the money.
Im going to exchange mine soon hate it I've tried to like it but hate it .

John

You have a decent action in that FP-90 - ever thought of trying a VST on it? Usually VSTs are the cure over any dull DP sound...

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Originally Posted by Solderman
Im going to exchange mine soon hate it I've tried to like it but hate it .

John


I had exactly the same experience. All modern Rolands tick so many boxes for functionality, key action, build quality (and the aesthetics to my eyes) so if you can like them then you can't really go wrong. But the sound just isn't right to my ears - nothing like right. I was lucky (in a sense!) that the action on my FP90 was faulty so there were no arguments when I returned it.


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I own a P515 having sold a CP4 and one odd thing I find is that, even though the NWX action has escapement and is supposed to be an improvement, I found the CP4 actually gave my fingers a tougher workout. In doing arpeggios, scales and tough exercies like double notes, the NWX feels really quite light and I seem to skip across the keyboard with very few errors.

Also I wonder if they got the scaling quite right. From middle C onwards it seems to lighten up quite dramatically from the bass octaves before it. Hence, I tend to do the above exercises an octave below to give the right hand a tougher time.

I'd be interested to hear from any other 515 owners who also previously had a CP4 on this.

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Well, the escapement simulation should have nothing to do with the touch weight of an action (it's not even taken into account in traditional methods of measuring weight). So I would suggest divorcing talk of action weight with the existence (or absence) of letoff/escapement.


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