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First time buyer with options to compare #2789393
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Hi everyone,

My 6-year old son just started to learn playing piano. I'd like to buy a Steinway grand piano for him. But as a first time buyer, I'm a bit lost with all those options from a nearby Steinway dealer and would like to seek suggestions here.

Model #Years Price
1. 2009 M 9 $49,990
2. 2014 M 4 $59,990
3. 1968 L 50 $42,000 (restored: newly changed pin, strings, and actions)
4. 2006 B 12 $70,000
5. 1990 B 28 $55,000 (restored: newly changed pin, strings)

Are these prices reasonable? I found them (option 1, 2 and 4) very comparable to or even a little below pianobuyer's depreciation schedule, although that depreciation schedule is for private party prices with no warranty. Does that mean these quotes (from a Steinway dealer with warranty) are good deals?

What would an average 30-year piano (option 5) or a 5-10 years old piano (options 1, 2 and 4) need to be restored?

Or should I get a new Spirio to enjoy more of it since we just started learning playing?

Thank you all in advance!

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Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789398
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I also found a 2016 Model O from a local private seller for $49,900, which is much below the pianobuyer's depreciation schedule. Dose this sound like a great deal to you?

BTW, I did not figure out how to edit my original post to add this information.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789491
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All pianos of the same year and model will not be in the same condition, so a year and model number isn't so helpful. Do you know an experienced pianist who might be willing to look at the options with you? Pick the ones you like and have a piano tech examine them before deciding.

It's wonderful to have a steinway, but I wonder whether you'd be better off with a brand new 40,000 dollar plus grand piano than an older Steinway, just because it is a Steinway. More experienced people will offer advice, I'm sure. But don't rush straight to a 1968 (eek) model L because it is a Steinway.

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What if he decides to quit after a short while?

I would buy something not expensive. Probably a mainstream upright like a new Yamaha or Kawai. And when he advances upgrade to a better instrument then.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789494
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I don't know where you're located, but if you have to have a Steinway, I recently tried a lovely 1915 O rebuilt in 2016 for 24K and there is a 2006 B for 42K. These are both in the NW. Look around as there are a lot of used Steinway's for sale.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789498
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Im also looking for a new piano was was considering similar steinways as well as doing a complete rebuild. I grew up playing a steinway, but my wife doesn't play. She wanted the looks and name of a steinway. After taking my 4 and 6 year old to the piano store with her, my suggestion of a new Yamaha CX (not sure of size yet) with the silent option is making more sense. They can be had for half of what the original poster is showing for the steinway prices and probably play better, or at least be more deterministic in what you are getting. The warning about doing a complete rebuild is that you don't know what it will sound and play like until it is finished.

Im leaning towards the C3X SH2 but could go bigger or smaller as well. I like the chrome option of the C2X which may push us in that direction. I have been targeting the 30% off SMP from pianobuyer.com Seems you can get about 35% off the higher MSRP.

I have to play them a bit more to get a sense of the value of going larger. But I think the OP may want to look at them as well.

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Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789527
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I would not buy a Steinway for a 6 year old, get a used or new vertical. he might just call it quits after 6 month. Since he just started playing he has zero benefit from playing on a grand piano.


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Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789552
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I'm not sure whether there is no benefit from a child starting on a grand piano, but in either case if the OP wants a grand, have it. As long as it isn't a bad / frustrating piano with poor tone, which could turn anyone off playing. There are more considerations for some individuals making purchasing decisions than whether a child will continue studies or not--who can know?

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789643
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Why would you buy a steinway as a first piano as beginners? That is nutso crazy. Steinway has a budget line that plays great. I've been playing many years and it is my main piano.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: dhull100] #2789733
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Originally Posted by dhull100
All pianos of the same year and model will not be in the same condition, so a year and model number isn't so helpful. Do you know an experienced pianist who might be willing to look at the options with you? Pick the ones you like and have a piano tech examine them before deciding.

It's wonderful to have a steinway, but I wonder whether you'd be better off with a brand new 40,000 dollar plus grand piano than an older Steinway, just because it is a Steinway. More experienced people will offer advice, I'm sure. But don't rush straight to a 1968 (eek) model L because it is a Steinway.


Hi dhull100,

Thanks for replying.

This is a Steinway authorized dealer, and the two model Ms and 2006 B are relatively new (4, 9 and 12 years old) , so I assume that they will be in pretty good condition. Maybe like buying a 1-2 years old CPO car? The dealer offer 10 years full trade-in as well.
The model O from a private seller is even newer,it's only 2 years old. The seller said this piano has been regularly well-maintained by a Steinway authorized technician.

I will definitely get a technician to check them before purchasing.

So, assuming they are all in very good condition, do you think the listed prices are good? Do you think the pianobuyer's depreciation schedule is a good reference?

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Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2789737
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Originally Posted by jarobi
I don't know where you're located, but if you have to have a Steinway, I recently tried a lovely 1915 O rebuilt in 2016 for 24K and there is a 2006 B for 42K. These are both in the NW. Look around as there are a lot of used Steinway's for sale.

Thank you for the info. I am in PA though.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: strickon] #2789741
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Originally Posted by strickon
Im also looking for a new piano was was considering similar steinways as well as doing a complete rebuild. I grew up playing a steinway, but my wife doesn't play. She wanted the looks and name of a steinway. After taking my 4 and 6 year old to the piano store with her, my suggestion of a new Yamaha CX (not sure of size yet) with the silent option is making more sense. They can be had for half of what the original poster is showing for the steinway prices and probably play better, or at least be more deterministic in what you are getting. The warning about doing a complete rebuild is that you don't know what it will sound and play like until it is finished.

Im leaning towards the C3X SH2 but could go bigger or smaller as well. I like the chrome option of the C2X which may push us in that direction. I have been targeting the 30% off SMP from pianobuyer.com Seems you can get about 35% off the higher MSRP.

I have to play them a bit more to get a sense of the value of going larger. But I think the OP may want to look at them as well.

I considered C3X and SK3 as well. They are very good pianos and I am sure they more than enough for my son. I just like the sound (and brand name, to be honest) of Steinway more. But C3X and SK3 are still on my list.

Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: kokatla] #2789743
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Originally Posted by Hakki
What if he decides to quit after a short while?

I would buy something not expensive. Probably a mainstream upright like a new Yamaha or Kawai. And when he advances upgrade to a better instrument then.

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I would not buy a Steinway for a 6 year old, get a used or new vertical. he might just call it quits after 6 month. Since he just started playing he has zero benefit from playing on a grand piano.

Originally Posted by kokatla
Why would you buy a steinway as a first piano as beginners? That is nutso crazy. Steinway has a budget line that plays great. I've been playing many years and it is my main piano.

Thank you all for your suggestion.
I know it's not a common practice to buy a Steinway grand for a beginner. But as I said in a post above, I just like the sound (and brand name, to be honest) of Steinway more. I also like the appearance of a grand. So, I may want to follow my heart.

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Originally Posted by lulu0220


So, assuming they are all in very good condition, do you think the listed prices are good? Do you think the pianobuyer's depreciation schedule is a good reference?


I'm not in a position to advise about pricing. Markets are local to some degree, I'm sure. Perhaps the tech who checks it out can advise. Experts here may have an opinion, but I'm sure they would say it depends on condition.

Good luck!

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Dear Lulu,

If you accept private messages (PMs), I'd like to send you one.

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Re: First time buyer with options to compare [Re: lulu0220] #2790456
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Originally Posted by lulu0220

I know it's not a common practice to buy a Steinway grand for a beginner. But as I said in a post above, I just like the sound (and brand name, to be honest) of Steinway more. I also like the appearance of a grand. So, I may want to follow my heart.



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A lot depends on whether you play. Steinways do vary. Sometimes a lot. IMO, the highest percentage of dogs of any elite brand. So if you do not play, do get someone to test drive the piano, whether you are buying new or used.

I also would definitely consider a rebuild from a good shop.

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Originally Posted by dhull100
Originally Posted by lulu0220


So, assuming they are all in very good condition, do you think the listed prices are good? Do you think the pianobuyer's depreciation schedule is a good reference?


I'm not in a position to advise about pricing. Markets are local to some degree, I'm sure. Perhaps the tech who checks it out can advise. Experts here may have an opinion, but I'm sure they would say it depends on condition.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Learux
Originally Posted by lulu0220

I know it's not a common practice to buy a Steinway grand for a beginner. But as I said in a post above, I just like the sound (and brand name, to be honest) of Steinway more. I also like the appearance of a grand. So, I may want to follow my heart.



Three good reasons, I hope you find a piano you love!

Originally Posted by Jolly
A lot depends on whether you play. Steinways do vary. Sometimes a lot. IMO, the highest percentage of dogs of any elite brand. So if you do not play, do get someone to test drive the piano, whether you are buying new or used.

I also would definitely consider a rebuild from a good shop.

Good luck!

Thank you all! I bought a 2016 Model O. It is basically "like brand new" according to my technician.


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