Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

Who's Online Now
78 registered members (Beemer, aliaksej, Animisha, barbaram, Artur Gajewski, 90125, 23 invisible), 959 guests, and 7 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module #2698138
12/19/17 07:56 AM
12/19/17 07:56 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
P
propianist Offline OP
Full Member
propianist  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module = www.V3sound.com

User manual & specs.pdf

YouTube demo full playlist

Price = £ 330.98 GBP = € 376 Euro
3 GB onboard flash memory
256 voice polyphony
16 part multitimbral
Bosendorfer 290 Imperial multisample (listen YouTube demo)
Steinway Model D Hamburg multisample (listen YouTube demo)
Numerous other sampled sounds...
eg. Elec pianos, Hammond, Wurli, strings, etc.
5,250 multi-samples
127 factory preset programs
Piano pedal down string resonance modelling
Sympathetic resonance modelling
Piano sustain pedal grabbing
Note off samples
Sustain pedal on / off noise
Sustain pedal half pedalling
Dimensions: 125 x 125 x 40 mm
Weight: 0.21 kg
Magnetic base underneath for easy mounting
MIDI in & MIDI thru via standard 5 pin DIN
MIDI I/O via USB host Audio Class 1 compatible
Master Volume & Master Reverb knobs only.
Headphone socket
2x TRS jack outputs
either... mono LEFT + mono RIGHT (normal stereo 2 channels)
or... stereo MAIN + stereo AUX (4 channel output via 2 MIDI channels)
Sustain footswitch jack input
9VDC power adapter

Anybody seen this? Anybody tried it? Played it? Own it?
Anyone with any experiences to share?
Looks like it's made by the same people who made the Limex Vienna piano module a few years ago, but it's half the price and much better spec!
Very compact and portable, although rather spartan! Lacking in user controls / preset editability / LCD screen, etc.

(ad) ROLAND

Click Here

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698146
12/19/17 08:59 AM
12/19/17 08:59 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,515
Sofia, Bulgaria
CyberGene Online content
2000 Post Club Member
CyberGene  Online Content
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,515
Sofia, Bulgaria
Hmmm, very strange, this is apparently a sample based instrument (3GB mentioned) but the piano demos are very Pianoteq-like, i.e. they sound synthetic with the typical modeling nature. Is this really a sample based instrument? Otherwise for the price and the size this seems like a perfect gigging tool next to a lightweight MIDI keyboard.


Soundcloud Profile - solo piano compositions, arrangements, reharms
Currently: DIY hybrid controller -> Garritan CFX, Yamaha NU1X
Previously: Kawai (ES7, MP6, CA63), Roland (RD-700SX, FP-5), Yamaha P90, Korg SP-200, Casio CDP-100
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698152
12/19/17 09:29 AM
12/19/17 09:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,787
A
anotherscott Offline
4000 Post Club Member
anotherscott  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,787
I don't know why they would use 3 GB of samples if it were modeled. Moreover, I can't imagine they'd be modeling the sound generation and not making a big deal of it. In fact, in the big print, they do take advantage of the modeling buzzword, though in the details it says the things that are modeled are resonances, pedal behaviors, and note-off.

Still seems like it could be a cool little box though!

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698165
12/19/17 10:12 AM
12/19/17 10:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
P
propianist Offline OP
Full Member
propianist  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
I imagine it's a hybrid approach like the GEM RealPiano module was - basically it's multi-sampling, but the "modelling" technology is just the clever algorithm that generates sympathetic string resonances, hence their excuse to drop the name. Many software companies have loosely used the term "modelling" in a similar way. No, it doesn't mean it's 100% physically modelled instrument - like Pianoteq or V-Piano.

Although common sense would say a fast SSD laptop is always the best external piano module you can own, and the most versatile, it's always interesting to find a serious hardware / piano module alternative.

Synthogy Ivory II VR - the killer module they promised in January NAMM 2016, but their plans went down the toilet somehow.

Dexibell Vivo SX7 - has 1.5GB of RAM you can load with your choice of Soundfonts or their presets. Weird trapezoid 2U rack blue box.

Muse Receptor - they've finally given up making them now. Laptops are just too good these days, I guess.

V3 Sound Grand Piano module - ticks all the boxes in theory, and the price is very reasonable. Intrigued to know more.

M-Audio Accent module - one of the only few piano modules you'll find these days, but not amazing.

Last edited by propianist; 12/19/17 10:20 AM.
(ad) SWEETWATER
Sweetwater 1000s of deals on Gear
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698185
12/19/17 11:35 AM
12/19/17 11:35 AM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
E
EssBrace Offline
3000 Post Club Member
EssBrace  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
E

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
I've been keeping an eye on the V3 module for a while now. I think the demos sound pretty good. I've very nearly pulled the trigger several times now but I want an assurance I can return it if I don't like it. There's only one stockist in the UK and it seems like a small independent accordion supplier. They might not have the most generous or cooperative attitude to returns. I've so nearly picked the phone up to call them. It's Christmas....what the heck, maybe I'll treat myself....

One thing I don't like is the lack of display screen. To change preset you have to send a programme change message via MIDI. I don't know how you could ever be really certain what preset you were on. It accepts half damper but implies the pedal needs to be plugged into the module itself. I just want to send pedal messages via MIDI without disturbing my connections. Maybe that's possible too but the information out there is certainly not comprehensive so it's difficult to know anything about these things without buying.

I do think it seems very promising though and I like the way the demos sound. FWIW I don't find them PianoTeq-like at all. The basic tones are samples for sure with modelled resonance behaviours I assume.


Roland RD-1000 | Nord Piano 3 | Dexibell Vivo P7 | Yamaha CLP 645
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698202
12/19/17 12:58 PM
12/19/17 12:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
P
propianist Offline OP
Full Member
propianist  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
Hi EssBrace,
Thomann sell this with a pretty decent 30 day return policy. Give them a try.
Happy Christmas,
propianist

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698216
12/19/17 01:41 PM
12/19/17 01:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
E
EssBrace Offline
3000 Post Club Member
EssBrace  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
E

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted by propianist
Hi EssBrace,
Thomann sell this with a pretty decent 30 day return policy. Give them a try.
Happy Christmas,
propianist


Thanks, yes I saw Thomann had it and it's slightly cheaper than buying from within the UK. Return shipping would be reasonable I suppose, given how small/light the module is, if I chose to return it.

Something for me to ponder!....


Roland RD-1000 | Nord Piano 3 | Dexibell Vivo P7 | Yamaha CLP 645
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698240
12/19/17 02:50 PM
12/19/17 02:50 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
P
propianist Offline OP
Full Member
propianist  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
I should think the V3 module ought to respond correctly to pedal / half-pedalling data via MIDI from any piano / controller you normally use, and does not need the sustain pedal plugged directly into the module's own local jack socket.

After all, how else would V3 Sound have produced all their demo recordings?!
They just took some MIDI files off Doug McKenzie's website (with his constent!) which already had his recorded pedalling data embedded in the MIDI stream, and just played them back through the module via MIDI. It's not like somebody at V3 Sound had to sit there with their foot on a pedal controller and perform the pedalling "live" along to the file's playback of just keyboard notes to re-create the entire performance...!

So it will respond to MIDI like everything else, with data value 0-127 on MIDI controller #64 being sustain pedal depth - if your piano transmits full continuous values for half-pedalling, or otherwise if your piano doesn't do half-pedalling and just transmits simple 0 or 127 for "off" or "on", it will all still work as expected over MIDI.

The V3 module's local pedal jack socket is just included for extra convenience.
Probably it could be useful if it's re-assignable for other tasks like patch no. inc / dec, or as a 3rd pedal for sostenuto, etc. (eg. if your digital piano only has 2 pedals.) but sadly, there's isn't much info in the manual to explain all this, as you point out.

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698267
12/19/17 04:10 PM
12/19/17 04:10 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,787
A
anotherscott Offline
4000 Post Club Member
anotherscott  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,787
Originally Posted by propianist
The V3 module's local pedal jack socket is just included for extra convenience.

...or more than mere convenience, if your controller doesn't happen to already have a pedal jack that supports half-pedaling (and many do not).

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2698303
12/19/17 07:02 PM
12/19/17 07:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,490
Hamamatsu, Japan
Kawai James Online content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Kawai James  Online Content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,490
Hamamatsu, Japan
Looks like quite an interesting product, thanks for the heads-up!

Cheers,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: Kawai James] #2698305
12/19/17 07:10 PM
12/19/17 07:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
P
propianist Offline OP
Full Member
propianist  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 328
England
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Looks like quite an interesting product, thanks for the heads-up!

Cheers,
James
x


Why can't Kawai make something like this??? ...only better!

Winter 2018 NAMM Jan 25 - 28 is still a few weeks away - so you've got time!

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: EssBrace] #2698343
12/19/17 11:08 PM
12/19/17 11:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 7,284
Northern England.
peterws Offline
7000 Post Club Member
peterws  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 7,284
Northern England.
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by propianist
Hi EssBrace,
Thomann sell this with a pretty decent 30 day return policy. Give them a try.
Happy Christmas,
propianist


Thanks, yes I saw Thomann had it and it's slightly cheaper than buying from within the UK. Return shipping would be reasonable I suppose, given how small/light the module is, if I chose to return it.

Something for me to ponder!....


We await with bated breath and deep pockets . . . be first! Be first!


"I am not a man. I am a free number"

"[Linked Image]"
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2789861
12/10/18 04:37 PM
12/10/18 04:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 95
M
Markuska Offline
Full Member
Markuska  Offline
Full Member
M

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 95
Stupid question maybe and thread necromancy, but actually WHAT is this? How does one make use of such a module - do you still need a Laptop?

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2789863
12/10/18 04:45 PM
12/10/18 04:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 681
Finland
C
clothearednincompo Offline
500 Post Club Member
clothearednincompo  Offline
500 Post Club Member
C

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 681
Finland
Just plug it into a digital piano or MIDI controller keyboard and to speakers or headphones. No laptop needed.

There used to be this wide category of products called "sound modules" (and in a smaller niche "piano modules") before software solutions became more popular.

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2789865
12/10/18 04:47 PM
12/10/18 04:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 95
M
Markuska Offline
Full Member
Markuska  Offline
Full Member
M

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 95
Thanks a lot, seems like an awesome and quick way for people who are too lazy to turn on a pc smile

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2789901
12/10/18 06:26 PM
12/10/18 06:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,916
Sydney, Australia
S
sullivang Offline
2000 Post Club Member
sullivang  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
S

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,916
Sydney, Australia
It doesn't sound "modelled" to me, but when you A/B it with something like that Embertone VST, there's a pretty big difference. ;^)

Greg.


Middle-aged Jeremy Clarkson acolyte.
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2789912
12/10/18 07:20 PM
12/10/18 07:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,286
G
Gombessa Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Gombessa  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,286
Interesting product!

One question I have: 3GB doesn't actually sound like a whole lot to me, especially as an upgrade to a current generation DP? With a Bosendorfer and a Steinway sample, I would suspect there's roughly 1 - 1.2GB per piano, with the balance reserved for the other instrument samples, OS, file system overhead, etc.

If so, this isn't as much a replacement for a true VST or a current DP's built in sounds, as it is a way to get older DPs or midi controllers a comparable piano tone without the need for a PC or other midi source?


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50 || Kawai NV-10, MP11
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2790077
12/11/18 09:31 AM
12/11/18 09:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 236
Ontario, Canada
H
halherta Offline
Full Member
halherta  Offline
Full Member
H

Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 236
Ontario, Canada
Interesting product. Too bad it doesn't seem to have any distributors in Canada. Not even sure if there's a U.S.A distributor either



Yamaha P-125, Pianoteq 6, Ravenscroft 275 VST, Focusrite Scarlett 2i4
Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: propianist] #2790150
12/11/18 01:03 PM
12/11/18 01:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,271
UK
S
spanishbuddha Offline
3000 Post Club Member
spanishbuddha  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
S

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,271
UK
Meh, at that price I’ll stick to Ravenscroft or Korg on an iPad. Sure I already have an iPad.

Re: V3 Sound V3 Grand Piano Module [Re: spanishbuddha] #2790172
12/11/18 02:04 PM
12/11/18 02:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
E
EssBrace Offline
3000 Post Club Member
EssBrace  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
E

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,627
Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
I’ll stick to Ravenscroft...on an iPad.


You like it? I bought it the other day because I thought the demos sounded good but I can't get it to play quietly enough; even the softest key press generates a sound that is far too bold. Messing with the velocity curve makes to difference to that particular issue.

Another 18 quid down the swanee!


Roland RD-1000 | Nord Piano 3 | Dexibell Vivo P7 | Yamaha CLP 645
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Piano World 

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Petrof
(ad)
Sweetwater - Keyboards
Sweetwater
ad
Jazz Piano Online
Jazz Piano Lessons Online

New Topics - Multiple Forums
What would you have done.....Hammer problem
by Duaner. 01/16/19 06:39 AM
For Pianoteq devotees: new instrument introduced
by QuasiUnaFantasia. 01/16/19 06:37 AM
Yamaha Smart Pianist Recording
by oneilt130. 01/16/19 05:42 AM
Dynamics and listening skills - tip!
by Animisha. 01/16/19 04:21 AM
Tips for playing Mozart K310 First movement
by hyena. 01/16/19 03:38 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums40
Topics189,600
Posts2,782,233
Members92,114
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Please Support Our Advertisers
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

PianoTeq Petrof
Piano Buyer Spring 2018
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2018 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2