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Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? #2787310
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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787314
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Does this include digitals and keyboards ?

Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787353
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The article doesn't explain how they know how many people own pianos who didn't purchase them in a given year.

In 1978 about .1% of the population or about 1 out of 316 families bought a new piano but the percent of families that owned a piano was certainly MUCH higher. I think the article is poorly written because the title talks about owning a piano but most of the information is about new pianos sold in a given year.

Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787354
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"They have been decreasing for decades. In 1900, when Americans numbered about 76 million, some 171,000 pianos were sold, so you would find one in every 178 homes (figuring 2.5 people per household). Sales mushroomed by 1909, and one of every 99 households boasted a piano. That was the height of piano popularity. The year 1978 saw the last peak, when a population of 223 million bought 282,000 of the instruments, with one in every 316 homes. It’s been downhill ever since. By 2015, only one of every 3,788 families owned a piano."

I dunno, the numbers seem fishy, like adding apples and oranges. There is a differences between ownership and sales. Like in 1900, 171,000 were sold, with one NEW piano in every 178 homes. And in 1978 282,000 were sold with one NEW piano in every 319 homes. But it says that in 1909 one in every 99 homes had one (or is that bought a NEW one???) and in 2015 one in every 3,788 homes had one (or is that bought a NEW one???)

Of course it wouldn't matter if everyone threw out their piano after a year, maybe when it goes out of tune. Cheaper to get a new one than to tune the old one! wink


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787389
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There is a very good reason why we need less pianos.
Technology.
How would they listen to music when there was no equipment to record and playback music. It had to be live. Hence the number of pianos.

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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787496
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You are all right.... They do seem to be confusing pianos sold with pianos owned. Also, they don't seem to go much into methods and sources.


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787550
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Another dumb article continuing to forward the "dying piano" narrative. Such lazy journalism. I would guess that the majority of my clients never paid for their pianos. They inherited them from parents or grandparents, were given them by friends or co-workers, or purchased them for next to nothing on Craigslist.

In the Pacific Northwest, we have a surprising number of well-functioning 100-year-old instruments, including my own 1912 Steinway O. There are many millions of pianos out there. It's irritating that people want to confuse new piano sales with declining popularity of the instrument.


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787566
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Yeah, whatever...Who reads Parade anymore? wink whistle laugh


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2787592
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So, I guess the manufacturers have reached the point where the potential market is already saturated with pianos.


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2788037
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Ok... odd...
Is 1 paragraph an article now? LOL never would have gotten away with that back in school!

By the way- aside from not knowing the difference between new piano sales and the question of ownership, there is (as pointed out) no information in this article.

Here is an example of what I see... Just taking a small town (Houlton, Me) out of my list- 5826 population, divided by 2.5 per household = 2330 households... I currently have 22-25 active customers there in that small town. That by the figures comes out to 1 piano per every 106 households.
That does not include churches and schools. This is the story for most of northern Maine up here...But this repeated and repeated adds up.

Point being- by my figures Maine is doing better than what the article claimed was the peak:
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In 1900, when Americans numbered about 76 million, some 171,000 pianos were sold, so you would find one in every 178 homes (figuring 2.5 people per household). Sales mushroomed by 1909, and one of every 99 households boasted a piano. That was the height of piano popularity.


Piece is a joke.
I bet if any of you were to run the figures- you would find the ratio to be around 1 in every 100-300 houses.


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: rysowers] #2788877
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Originally Posted by rysowers
Another dumb article continuing to forward the "dying piano" narrative. Such lazy journalism. I would guess that the majority of my clients never paid for their pianos. They inherited them from parents or grandparents, were given them by friends or co-workers, or purchased them for next to nothing on Craigslist.

In the Pacific Northwest, we have a surprising number of well-functioning 100-year-old instruments, including my own 1912 Steinway O. There are many millions of pianos out there. It's irritating that people want to confuse new piano sales with declining popularity of the instrument.


True. frown


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Re: Parade: Who Still Owns A Piano? [Re: daniokeeper] #2789921
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I went to work stripping pianos for a music store in the mid 60s.Gradually I learned to put the finish back on and do whatever action work was needed.The boss would pay 50 bux max for an old upright,pay me 18.00 to refinish it plus beggar money for whatever action work I deemed necessary..then sell that piano for $495 and this would happen 5 or 6 times a week plus whatever new pianos he could sell.He sold a world of pianos for years,like clockwork.I went off in another direction in 1972 and he was still selling pianos when I left.And still refinishing and selling old uprights when he died a few years back.I don't believe any of the numbers in that article..


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