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VSL Steinway D - released #2788316
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I didn't expect that new Synchron Piano to be released so soon. They're offering a introductory price, and a 3+1 Voucher event at the same time.
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December 6 th , 2018
Synchron Pianos 1.1.1103
• Added: Support for Steinway D
• Improved: Performance when releasing sustain pedal
• Improved: Rare crashes when closing sessions

Key Features
Over 4,000 samples per key for maximum authenticity, liveliness, and feel.
Recorded in the natural ambience of one of the best recording halls in the world, Synchron Stage Vienna
Utmost realism, capturing all of the instrument’s nuances with our proprietary precision sampling technology
Hyper-realistic playing feel
Multiple microphone positions – for a multitude of timbral variations
Intuitive, customized Synchron Pianos software with high-performance playback engine
Six pre-configured presets: “Concert”, “Intimate”, “Player”, “Pop”, “Ambience”, “Mighty”
Soft (una corda), sostenuto, sustain pedals
Half-pedalling and re-pedalling
Sympathetic resonance
Body resonance
Dedicated release samples, depending on played release velocity
Detailed pedal sounds for soft and sustain pedals, depending on pedal speed

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788329
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Promo price is about 15% off list price. I guess it wouldn't hurt to buy it now instead of waiting for one of their sales. Their sales usually aren't more than 25% off, right?

Curious to hear what people think about this compared to Embertone's Steinway D and Production Voices' Concert Grand.

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On their web site I see these prices:
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$563	Full Library

Are those the right prices?

I have a bad case of G.A.S. ... but I can't see spending that much.
Even with a 15%-off sale ($250 for the standard library), that's still $100 more than my most expensive virtual instrument. frown

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The demos sound pretty good. Has anyone tried this yet?

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: MacMacMac] #2788342
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
On their web site I see these prices:
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$293	Standard Library
$563	Full Library

Are those the right prices?

I have a bad case of G.A.S. ... but I can't see spending that much.
Even with a 15%-off sale ($250 for the standard library), that's still $100 more than my most expensive virtual instrument. frown


They're offering a voucher event now. (3+1, 6+2, etc)
If you purchase this piano, I think you have to use this coupon. It can give you additional savings.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788346
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Can one try/demo first?


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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788351
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I didn't think this would be released so soon after the CFX. I can pay for three vouchers, giving me four, and then use two of them plus 45 euro, and have 200 euro vouchers left for the Synchron Imperial when that comes out. That's great value for VSL.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I didn't think this would be released so soon after the CFX. I can pay for three vouchers, giving me four, and then use two of them plus 45 euro, and have 200 euro vouchers left for the Synchron Imperial when that comes out. That's great value for VSL.


I thought of something similar to you! I hope that Synchron Imperial will also be released soon.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788389
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Full library - EUR 360 (~$409)
Standard library - EUR 245 (~$278)

BUT not 100% sure as the December pricing is a bit confusing. This assumes you only want one VSL library so can only optimise the Vienna Voucher scheme for Full library as shown below.

Quick and strategic timing for VSL Steinway release. The demos sound great; the recording sounds clear and the room ambience is nice.

As far as I can tell, it "seems" the full version provides additional mics pairs (principally two additional close & some surround). Full version requires 266.2 GB and and standard version requires 117.9 GB.
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EUR 360 Full library cash price (using voucher scheme)

EUR 540 Full library list price
EUR 460 Full library December sale price

EUR 300 3 Vienna Vouchers
EUR 100 1 Vienna Voucher free
EUR 400 Subtotal Vouches CREDIT
EUR 60 Cash required additional
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EUR 245 Standard library cash price

EUR 285 Standard library list price
EUR 245 Standard library December sale price

Voucher scheme here
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/News

There is a Vienna key required for EUR20. They offer some 2 year protection plan for EUR70. HDD available for those who don't want to download files.

FX rate estimated by VSL approx. 1.135 EUR/USD and will vary.

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788393
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I think that implies a 33% discount on Full and 15% discount on Standard for December.

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Of course those prices include 20% VAT applicable to Austrian customers. Non-EU customers may be entitled to a refund of VAT; not sure how VSL or current Austrian regulations would address that.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788407
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Goodness, I wasn't expecting this. That does give me a dilemma. I don't like the price, I don't really need another instrument, but I do like Steinway D and the VSL CFX was so good and so well supported that it's hard to pass it up. Definitely worth some thought.


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This is quite hard to resist as the Steinways are my favorite sounding pianos. Even if I don't pick it up in the intro I'll probably wind up getting it someday when there's another sale.


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If you really need a Steinway, get the Vintage D. It's much cheaper, and it's quite good.

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The price is OK only if half-pedaling is implemented properly. Too many sample based pianos have half-baked solutions.


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Hot damn, I didn't expect this so soon. The timing sucks, where am I going to get the money from to buy this now? My purse is roasted from Black Friday, and Christmas sails are singing to me to crash against their rocks.

This is it though - I feel like, if this VST is not going to please me, no other VST in the foreseeable future will. The Garritan CFX is still my favorite overall, but it's a CFX, and I would love a Steinway. That's why I want the same crew at Garritan to make a Steinway in the same manner, but it looks like this is not going to happen.

It is so interesting to read so many different opinions by people in this forum. To be honest, I found that only playing a VST myself allows me to form an opinion. I've had it so often that people praise something enthusiastically, and then I buy it, and then I found that I didn't enjoy it at all. Then people will dislike something that I ended up liking. And so on. The Embertone, for example. I find it unacceptable, for others it is the greatest VST they have ever played. As for the Vintage D, it is very dated now, even though it still has great playability, but it doesn't have pedal down samples. This one is certainly going to blow it out of the water, but we will see.

The big question for this VST for me personally is, are there going to be out of tune notes as well as notes that stand out in an unpleasant way again? They were unacceptable in the Vienna Imperial, and just barely acceptable in their CFX.

Also to be honest I am not sure whether I want to spend another three digits on a company that uses this kind of DRM with dongles. Even though they have a new protection plan, but still.

Damn it. This is the VST I have been waiting for for the last few years. At the same time, I'm not happy about its release at all. Someone please buy it and tell me it sucks?

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My goodness, the demos sound astounding. That's a thunderous bass if I ever heard one. Does someone know which demos feature the Normal version and which ones have the additional mics from the Full version?

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Wrong end Grazilerimba, so many dilemmas, but you can do it, you are so close from decision, just imagine, new Steinway, this is something you`ve been waiting for smile .Help us everybody, hehe smile

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Listening to these demos closely, I am very impressed with the sound here, especially the bass. However, a few notes seem a little strange to me. In the Op. 10 No. 1, for instance, at the top of the rolling arpeggios, some of the higher notes seem have some hint of an audio artifact. I can't describe it very well, or it could be my headphones. I also hear it in the Debussy right at 00.58, with the rising E-flats.

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Originally Posted by slobajudge
Wrong end Grazilerimba, so many dilemmas, but you can do it, you are so close from decision, just imagine, new Steinway, this is something you`ve been waiting for smile .Help us everybody, hehe smile


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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Originally Posted by slobajudge
Wrong end Grazilerimba, so many dilemmas, but you can do it, you are so close from decision, just imagine, new Steinway, this is something you`ve been waiting for smile .Help us everybody, hehe smile


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Hahaha, fantastic picture, don`t worry, I am your left ear there, the only difference I don`t want to stop (at least till I get real Steinway D), I like to run for it, it is so excited smile

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
If you really need a Steinway, get the Vintage D. It's much cheaper, and it's quite good.


I second this. I just picked that up on Black Friday, and once I put in the right settings, it sounded really nice, much better than the TrueKeys American Grand.

Still, I can't help but think that the VSL Steinway will be the ultimate virtual representation of a Steinway D, so I really want to get it too! 3hearts

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Hot damn, I didn't expect this so soon. The timing sucks, where am I going to get the money from to buy this now? My purse is roasted from Black Friday, and Christmas sails are singing to me to crash against their rocks.

This is it though - I feel like, if this VST is not going to please me, no other VST in the foreseeable future will. The Garritan CFX is still my favorite overall, but it's a CFX, and I would love a Steinway. That's why I want the same crew at Garritan to make a Steinway in the same manner, but it looks like this is not going to happen.

It is so interesting to read so many different opinions by people in this forum. To be honest, I found that only playing a VST myself allows me to form an opinion. I've had it so often that people praise something enthusiastically, and then I buy it, and then I found that I didn't enjoy it at all. Then people will dislike something that I ended up liking. And so on. The Embertone, for example. I find it unacceptable, for others it is the greatest VST they have ever played. As for the Vintage D, it is very dated now, even though it still has great playability, but it doesn't have pedal down samples. This one is certainly going to blow it out of the water, but we will see.

The big question for this VST for me personally is, are there going to be out of tune notes as well as notes that stand out in an unpleasant way again? They were unacceptable in the Vienna Imperial, and just barely acceptable in their CFX.

Also to be honest I am not sure whether I want to spend another three digits on a company that uses this kind of DRM with dongles. Even though they have a new protection plan, but still.

Damn it. This is the VST I have been waiting for for the last few years. At the same time, I'm not happy about its release at all. Someone please buy it and tell me it sucks?

Insightfull post i surely can relate to.

I personally skipped the Synchron CFX , because it sounds cold as ice in all available sound examples.
I believe it won't be superiour to pianoteq from a playing experience, and i skipped Pianoteq too...... and Roland for that matter, because it simply does not sound appealing enough to me.
Further more i don't like the Synchron stage at all, just like the room the Hammersmith was recorded in .... which i deleted among many other expensive vst's that were an impulse buy.

I really like the Embertone hammer mics and use it all the time.
Yes it has it's flaws, detuned notes, slightly worn out recorded 1955 Steinway and missing details from lacking pedal implementation.
But in a mix it is superbly sounding.
The haunting resonance and overall tone makes for a recording in a mix that sounds like a real piano.
Sure the Garritan CFX sounds more even, has better playability , but doesn't sound nearly as real and rewarding in a mix.

Plus the Embertone also covers some territory of an upright while maintaining the full sound of a grand piano.

I understand those in need of the perfect solo grand piano vst's will need different specs than what i need.
I always wonder how people mention a thunderous bass register as a benefit, while i like a much more gentile and subtle bass register.


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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba

The big question for this VST for me personally is, are there going to be out of tune notes as well as notes that stand out in an unpleasant way again? They were unacceptable in the Vienna Imperial, and just barely acceptable in their CFX.


Can't answer that yet (I'll get this VST in a couple of weeks' time and will be able to tell you more then, though seriously out of tune notes would show up in the demos as well), but if there's one thing that's absolutely clear from acquiring too many VSTs in recent years, it is that the house style trumps the instrument every time. Or to put it another way, a Steinway from VSL will sound far more like a CFX from VSL, than even a CFX from Garritan. The sound differences from different piano models, which undoubtedly important and audible, are much smaller than the sound differences from different sampling and processing methods.

What that means is that by far the best predictor of what the VSL Steinway D will sound like is the VSL CFX. If you don't get on with the latter, I'd be wary about spending a lot of money on the former. The Synchron stage dominates the sound in both even judging purely from the demos; they're both very sharp, bright, slightly cold, crystal clear, strong. I would expect the Steinway D to sound slightly more rounded, and that would be enormously to its benefit in this style of sampling and you can hear it somewhat in the Lizst demos, but then some of the others (the Chopin and Beethoven especially) are almost brutally hard and bright, so this isn't going to be a mellow, lyrical Steinway D experience I suspect.


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I don`t expect that VSL Steinway will sound as sweet and real as Embertone which is my favorite. Problem with demos on VSL site is they are all swimming in too much reverb and they choose fast pieces. This is very good for orchestra sound but I want to feel like there is a wire and hammer inside DP when I play it. Yes VSL sounds real from distance, but I have a doubt that it will be the same feeling for me, cold and far sound similar to VSL CFX. Unfortunately the cost is very high to experiment with. Maybe I will change my mind once I get it. We will see...

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This piano is definitely not for me. It's like I'm sitting in a hall 30 meters away from the instrument. Still waiting for Garritan to record and release a Garritan Steinway D Concert Grand.

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Unfortunately the cost is very high to experiment with. Maybe I will change my mind once I get it.

Too funny!

Originally Posted by slobajudge
Problem with demos on VSL site is they are all swimming in too much reverb and they choose fast pieces.

Indeed. Maybe the Full version can help attenuate the room reverb with the additional close & mid mics. The recently uploaded demo "Giving Thanks" is slower but also a bit heavy in room ambience IMO.

VSL seem to be adding more demos (I find the short videos are fun to watch):

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Steinway_D#!Videos
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Steinway_D#!Demos

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Originally Posted by Alex C
This piano is definitely not for me. It's like I'm sitting in a hall 30 meters away from the instrument. Still waiting for Garritan to record and release a Garritan Steinway D Concert Grand.


As you said, this piano is for a performer like me who wants to feel the play in the hall. But you can make close sounds through the tweak in Synchron Piano. I've done enough experiments with VSL CFX, and it's definitely possible. And they also seem to have adding a Close 3 mic to give shape to such sound.

Garritan CFX is of course good enough, and it's too difficult for me to compare the priority between VSL and Garritan because they are both unique and complementary. If you want to experience Garritan Steinway in a hurry, you have to buy their Personal Orchestra 5 including Steinway D & B. But it is uncertain whether a single Steinway D product will be developed.

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788629
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Hi! A couple of questions from someone who has no experience with the the VSTs from VSL.

The VSL Synchron Steinway D requires a "AU/VST/AAX Native compatible host (AAX version requires Pro Tools 10.3.5 or higher)".

- What is this "compatible host"? Is it a separate product from VSL or from a third party that needs to be bought additionally?
- Does this VST work with the free "Synchron Player" from VSL? It seems so, but that is not clear.
- What is the "Pro Tools 10.3.5" software? Is it a software package from VSL? It is not part of VSL's product list (https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Products/Product_List)

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2788634
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It's a great vst, but to hear it, I had to increase the volume 50%. Why on earth they don't do proper demos at the right volume? If they want to advertise it properly they need to fix this immediately. It's nice to see how important is the way the robot mimic the human touch when striking the key.

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