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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Haruki] #2769450
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Hello Haruki, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by Haruki
I was also considering buying an NU1X, but since I heard of this “defect” I’m reconsidering it.


May I ask if you have played the instrument in person, if not I strongly recommend doing so before ruling-out the piano. You may find that the issue discussed in this thread is actually far less of a problem than some of the members here portray.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Haruki, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by Haruki
I was also considering buying an NU1X, but since I heard of this “defect” I’m reconsidering it.


May I ask if you have played the instrument in person, if not I strongly recommend doing so before ruling-out the piano. You may find that the issue discussed in this thread is actually far less of a problem than some of the members here portray.

Kind regards,
James
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There is a 'simple' one page piece for beginners in a Pianist magazine, 'Night Journey' Op 82, no 65, by Gurlitt which I used to test the NU1X and I have never been able to play it through without it spiking. It involves repeated notes but nothing specially fast.

But James is right. Go play one and if you find one that doesn't spike and like it, buy that one.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Colin Miles] #2769469
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Haruki, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by Haruki
I was also considering buying an NU1X, but since I heard of this “defect” I’m reconsidering it.


May I ask if you have played the instrument in person, if not I strongly recommend doing so before ruling-out the piano. You may find that the issue discussed in this thread is actually far less of a problem than some of the members here portray.

Kind regards,
James
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There is a 'simple' one page piece for beginners in a Pianist magazine, 'Night Journey' Op 82, no 65, by Gurlitt which I used to test the NU1X and I have never been able to play it through without it spiking. It involves repeated notes but nothing specially fast.

But James is right. Go play one and if you find one that doesn't spike and like it, buy that one.

Great advice! I am going to try this with mine.

It does get a bit more annoying with time (the spikes), and can be quite jarring. I do love the fact that I can use headphones...and I really do love the sound engine.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Kawai James] #2769476
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Haruki, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by Haruki
I was also considering buying an NU1X, but since I heard of this “defect” I’m reconsidering it.


May I ask if you have played the instrument in person, if not I strongly recommend doing so before ruling-out the piano. You may find that the issue discussed in this thread is actually far less of a problem than some of the members here portray.

Kind regards,
James
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Hello James,
Thanks for your welcome. I’m really glad to join this forum.
I haven’t really played the instrument yet. When I went to the store last time, I just had time to press some keys and feel the keyboard response. I’m definitely thinking on trying it properly. I’ll also try to reproduce the “defect” to see if it’s something to consider seriously as you mention.

Thanks for the advice.

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Haruki] #2769482
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Fur Elise is another piece to use to test the NU1X for spikes.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2771746
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Today I went to the music store to try the Nu1x. I played for about 20 minutes. Even with all the noise in the store, I could clearly listen to the beautiful sound of the piano. I really liked it. The touch was also nice. I didn’t have much trouble adjusting to it.

Regarding the “loud note defect”, I couldn’t reproduce it intentionally. I tried jamming the keys many times, but the response was normal. What surprised me is that when I just pressed one key softly I got the really loud sound. I thought it would happen only when trying to repeat a key, not when just playing normally.

It’s such a big disappointment. I really liked this piano, but getting a loud sound randomly is even scary. It makes you lose focus.

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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772241
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Hello everyone,

I didn’t want to create a new post, because I think my question is related to this, so I’ll just ask it here. Does the Casio GP500 have the same “loud note” defect as the Yamaha NU1X? Or does it have any issue that could be considered a defect?

In case it doesn’t, would this be a decisive factor to get the Casio GP500 over the Yamaha NU1x?

Thanks for your help.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772242
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The NU1X has an actual acoustic (upright) action, with sensors mounted to enable its use in a digital piano. The consensus here seems to be, that the way how these sensors are mounted and function (and how the software interprets the sensors), in combination with the way how an upright acoustic action works, causes this NU1X "defect".

The Casio GP-500 does not have an upright acoustic action. It actually does not have an acoustic action at all. It has a custom made digital action, similar to other top-of-the-line (non-hybrid) digital pianos. As such, it is not prone to this same "defect". Instead, just like other digital actions, it has the "problem" of having to try to simulate an acoustic (grand) action - on account of not actually being one. The question if it does so well enough for you, or if other digital actions succeed better in this, is something that only you can answer for yourself - by trying it out and comparing it to the other digital actions.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772245
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I think the Casio GP action is very realistic and will not hold you back in any way. There are varying opinions on the sound engine of the Casio, but I'd say if you are pleased by the sound, you can be confident with your purchase because the action is really very robust.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772297
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Thanks for the advices.

I’m still thinking about which is the best piano to buy in this price range. I’m amazed by the Casio GP500 key action. However, I prefer the Yamaha NU1X sound. Personally, my favorite acoustic grand piano has always been from Yamaha and I think the NU1X is a satisfying approximation. But buying such an expensive piano that has a defect is not something appealing.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772300
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While if found the Casio GP action very good, I would easily prefer the Yamaha over the Casio, even with this "defect". If you can't accept the issue, take a look at the CLP-685. You getting all the stuff of the NU1X (even the cabinet is nearly the same), a great amplification, very good headphone sound and tons of different voices. The action feels a bit stiff at the beginning but (in my case) you quickly getting comfortable with it. I remember sitting the first time in front of the 685 at the store. The action felt awkward af but i bought it anyways. After a couple of days, the action felt light and i had no problems to play on.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772303
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If the suggested CLP-685 is too stiff for you try one of the others - 675, etc.


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2772306
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Tyr, Colin,

Thanks a lot for your advices. I’ll keep that in mind. I still have a few months more to think before actually buying a new digital piano. But if I can’t find any other better option until then, I’ll definitely try the CLP-685 and the others.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2780406
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I found it interesting that, for me, this would only happen when I was using one hand to play the two notes. When I used two hands to elimnate my poor technique, the issue dissapeared. Interestingly I had a similar experience when experimenting with different accoustic pianos. Apparently, when the dampers are lifted, a repeated note play allows for the sound to lift out of the piano. This may be what is being duplicated in the resonance modeling


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Dave B] #2780410
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Originally Posted by Dave B
I found it interesting that, for me, this would only happen when I was using one hand to play the two notes. When I used two hands to elimnate my poor technique, the issue dissapeared.


I'm not sure of there's objectively "poor" technique involved, but if you are playing repeats with two hands, you're probably going to let the key return higher because you can achieve more velocity on downstroke?


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Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: Egorbopol] #2782766
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A quick update on my experiences with my NU1X.

I've had the instrument for nearly a year now, and although I've always loved the touch and sound, I was initially disappointed with the 'loud note' issue, which happened more often than I expected.

However, a year down the line, the problem has all but disappeared... I can play for hours without any issues, and when a note does sound louder than it should, it's a complete surprise as it happens so infrequently.

I'm not sure what this says about the issue - perhaps the action needs time to bed in... Anyway, whatever it is, I'm delighted with the instrument, and would recommend anyone considering buying it, not to be put off by this potential issue.

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I have the opposite problem. My ten-year-old Clavinova is developing symptoms ... some keys are louder than other.
I looked at the MIDI velocity values generated, and some notes are clearly "louder" than other.

Since I only use VST pianos in Kontakt, I added a per-note velocity adjuster in Kontakt's multi-script code.
That pretty much fixes it.

But ...
(a) It's annoying to have to do this
(b) I'm left wondering whether this piano is gradually making its way to the graveyard.

Re: Yamaha NU1X defect [Re: MarkH13] #2782835
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Originally Posted by MarkH13
A quick update on my experiences with my NU1X.

I've had the instrument for nearly a year now, and although I've always loved the touch and sound, I was initially disappointed with the 'loud note' issue, which happened more often than I expected.

However, a year down the line, the problem has all but disappeared... I can play for hours without any issues, and when a note does sound louder than it should, it's a complete surprise as it happens so infrequently.

I'm not sure what this says about the issue - perhaps the action needs time to bed in... Anyway, whatever it is, I'm delighted with the instrument, and would recommend anyone considering buying it, not to be put off by this potential issue.


Hi! Thanks for the update. However, this issue has been repeatedly reported on this forum and elsewhere. It may happen that the regulation of your NU1X and/or your playing style are minimizing it. Until Yamaha removes the sentence from the user manual that says this behaviour is "normal", it is always a risk that the consumer may be unwilling to take.

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Originally Posted by MarkH13
A quick update on my experiences with my NU1X.

I've had the instrument for nearly a year now, and although I've always loved the touch and sound, I was initially disappointed with the 'loud note' issue, which happened more often than I expected.

However, a year down the line, the problem has all but disappeared... I can play for hours without any issues, and when a note does sound louder than it should, it's a complete surprise as it happens so infrequently.

I'm not sure what this says about the issue - perhaps the action needs time to bed in... Anyway, whatever it is, I'm delighted with the instrument, and would recommend anyone considering buying it, not to be put off by this potential issue.


Interesting. I want to buy the NU1X, but this loud note issue has kept me from doing so. If the issue can go away over time then that changes everything. I would like to hear if this has happened to someone else.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I have the opposite problem. My ten-year-old Clavinova is developing symptoms ... some keys are louder than other.
I looked at the MIDI velocity values generated, and some notes are clearly "louder" than other.

Since I only use VST pianos in Kontakt, I added a per-note velocity adjuster in Kontakt's multi-script code.
That pretty much fixes it.

But ...
(a) It's annoying to have to do this
(b) I'm left wondering whether this piano is gradually making its way to the graveyard.


Hi MacMacMac, my previous electronic piano was a Clavinova, which was roughly the same age as yours. Towards the end, I could feel the action wearing out - it never got quite as bad as yours sounds, but I think they definitely have a shelf life!

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