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How long do you have to wait between switching on your piano and being able to play the first note?

Everybody says "oh, it's a really short time", but then some people add "...about one second", while others say "...definitely less than one minute". Of course, there is a world of difference between these two cases. Infuriatingly, this important datum is never published by the manufacturers.

Thereby, in the interest of science, I propose the following template to collect these data. No need to fill-in the template if your piano model was already described.




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Here's the "seconds waited" template. Please use it.
Just copy from here and paste into your new post:

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MAKE:
MODEL:
SECONDS FROM POWER-ON TO FIRST NOTE:
SECONDS FROM STANDBY TO FIRST NOTE:

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Here's the explanation:


MAKE
Manufacturer's name

MODEL
Please use the manufacturer's model notation.
If the firmware version is relevant, please add it.

SECONDS FROM POWER-ON TO FIRST NOTE
How long do you have to wait between plugging-in your piano into the mains current and being able to play the first note.

SECONDS FROM STANDBY TO FIRST NOTE
When you arrive home from a hard days work, how long do you have to wait between opening the lid of the piano and playing the first note?



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If you feel like it, you can also add other time-related information, such as how long do you normally leave your piano in standby mode, if it exists.

If we reach a sizeable amount of answers I will collect them in a public spreadsheet to ease the analysis and observe the evolution of boot-up times (I'll add a colum for the year of release for each model).

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MAKE: Kawai

MODEL: ES8

SECONDS FROM POWER-ON TO FIRST NOTE: roughly 2 to 3 seconds

SECONDS FROM STANDBY TO FIRST NOTE: N/A

I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.


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Originally Posted by Finfan

I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.


That's because your piano boots fast! But I recently tried a very well-regarded piano at a shop and I had to wait more than one minute for the thing to "boot up". I prefer not to name and shame, but this is definitely a mood-killer in some situations.

In any case, with an acoustic piano you can start playing right away when opening the lid after a few days of not playing; so for a realistic simulation this should be the case for good-quality DP. It is not like this behaviour is out of reach of current technology. For me, this feature is more important than overall looks or "ebony polishing" which are sometimes discussed here laugh

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I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.

I agree.

What will be done with this information? My N3 takes around 10 seconds before I can play it. My desktop computer takes longer.

So ...?

For that matter, it takes considerable time for me to start the day.

Come on guys, come up with something worth discussing ... like polyphony. smile


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Casio PX-160, about 6-7 seconds. I'm going to say this isn't an issue. It takes me longer than that to pull out the bench, get seated, open my music book, etc. The boot-up time isn't exactly slowing me down ...


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Yes, this seems so unimportant compared to anything that happens AFTER the piano is ready.
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.
I agree. What will be done with this information? My N3 takes around 10 seconds before I can play it. My desktop computer takes longer. So ...?
But ... if someone wants to collect the information, let him do so.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But ... if someone wants to collect the information, let him do so.

Indeed. smile


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Originally Posted by ericco
to collect these data.


ugh, this*. And no, not 'because latin', data in latin is the neuter plural past participle form of dare which is the verb 'to give'. Pluralising a word re-purposed into a collective noun meaning information on that basis makes no sense and hardly actually says it like that in general conversation! crazy

Anyway Kawai CA67/97, CS8/11 is ~6-7 seconds

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As a guitarist for 60 years I have had to learn, sometimes painfully, how to connect , disconnect, what to turn on first and last w all the effects and devices that come w gigging . DP is a computer so you have to be respectful
I would NOT be doing what’s suggested in timing how long it takes from turnin on to sound. Let it be. 3 seconds is what we use on stage. It matters because some instruments ( u never know till it happens) will malfunction if you start pressing buttons before it’s ready. A minute however is way too long.
My piano is Kawai ES110

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The OP is speaking English, not Latin.
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Originally Posted by ericco
to collect these data.
ugh, this*. And no, not 'because latin', data in latin is the neuter plural past participle form of dare which is the verb 'to give'. Pluralising a word re-purposed into a collective noun meaning information on that basis makes no sense and hardly actually says it like that in general conversation!
His words need not conform to rules of Latin.

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I think this a worthy topic.
My Korg arranger keyboard (Pa3x) takes 59 seconds from Power On to First note.
I have read that the Korg Kronos (which is a professional Stage or Workstation keyboard) takes close to 2 minutes.
These figures are important for both home (inspiration strikes and nothing to play) and Stage (please don't unplug me during a show!!).

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Casio AP-650 - 7 seconds from pushing the on button to the piano being ready to play.


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Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
I think this a worthy topic.
My Korg arranger keyboard (Pa3x) takes 59 seconds from Power On to First note.
I have read that the Korg Kronos (which is a professional Stage or Workstation keyboard) takes close to 2 minutes.
These figures are important for both home (inspiration strikes and nothing to play) and Stage (please don't unplug me during a show!!).

My Kronos takes about 90 seconds to boot. If there is a power interruption in a live gig, it's pretty devastating. The only solution is to get an uninterruptible power supply - something most big time players do have when using the Kronos.

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As I recall my Physis Piano took almost a couple of minutes. But that thing really is a computer.

Dexibells take 40 - 50 seconds depending on how many voices you have loaded or whether you are using 'Platinum' content. Again, it is a quad core computer and probably more powerful than your average DP.

I know Korg Kronos takes a while but that has numerous different sound engines and a big (for DPs) memory (upto 60GB I believe).

Nord Piano 3 takes 16 seconds. And again, there's more going on with Nord than with the average DP, whose voices are unchangeable and just hardwired into the things.

In any event personally I don't see this as much of an issue. Of all the DP comparators I would say this is the least important.

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Originally Posted by ericco
Originally Posted by Finfan

I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.


That's because your piano boots fast! But I recently tried a very well-regarded piano at a shop and I had to wait more than one minute for the thing to "boot up". I prefer not to name and shame, but this is definitely a mood-killer in some situations.

In any case, with an acoustic piano you can start playing right away when opening the lid after a few days of not playing; so for a realistic simulation this should be the case for good-quality DP. It is not like this behaviour is out of reach of current technology. For me, this feature is more important than overall looks or "ebony polishing" which are sometimes discussed here laugh


Must admit the Dexis are slow at booting up. The thread's a good one for those concerned. The simple answer is . . . . . .don't switch it off.


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Originally Posted by Finfan
MAKE: Kawai

MODEL: ES8

SECONDS FROM POWER-ON TO FIRST NOTE: roughly 2 to 3 seconds

SECONDS FROM STANDBY TO FIRST NOTE: N/A

I don't really see how this is relevant to anything though.


I was going to say your ES8 has a turbo mode but I just chronoed mine and it is really 3s. Funny some times it feels like it takes longer. Maybe anxiety makes it feels longer. smile


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Some people woke up grumpy today. smile Maybe their DP takes too long to boot. smile

Kronos is called a workstation. I don't know exactly what that means but I suppose it is not exactly a DP.

Anyway, another addition to the database:



Roland RD2000, 10 seconds from pressing ON/OFF switch to playing the first note.

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Just for the fun of it, an odd entry for your data base as it is not exactly a DP:


Roland BK-7m, 7 seconds. Assuming the controller connected to it boots fast.


Despite being called "backing module", it works as a piano module (among other things).


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Korg B1 - about 1 second. The one advantage of a cheap DP!

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Holly sh*t never realized there are pianos that boot up so long, this is actually very informative thread smile
Oh and Casio GP 400 turns on in about 15-20 s I think, gonna measure it today and edit my post if needed.

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