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Getting a new piano and need advice #2780418
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Hello. I was hoping for some advice. We want to get a piano for our family. I have 3 little kids. I used to play when I was younger. I stopped about 15 years ago. But I would like to start taking lessons again as well. My husband wants to start playing as well so it would be for all 5 of us. He wants get a baby grand if possible based on our budget. I remember growing up practicing on an upright and at recitals and my piano teacher's house it was a grand and I always wished we had a grand at home. Somehow it seemed different back then to me. Having said that we would get an upright now if it makes more sense.

We have an $8000 budget. We are open to getting a used piano. We have been to a few dealers and have seen the following.

1. New Essex upright that was around $8000 brand new in black. The white was new $9000.
2. An older Kohler & Campbell black baby grand used $5000, I need to get the year and model number.
3. 2017 Hallet Davis & Co, model H5148 in White used $5000.
4. A 1972 Yamaha upright black used $3500.
5. Yamaha Baby Grand Piano GH1 in Ebony used $5000
6. Kohler and Campbell, black used kCG 500 with CD Player piano model PCD w/ surround sound. $4900

I'm wondering if any of these are good to get have have some questions:

1. Should we continue looking?
2. Is it a bad idea to get white? Everyone at these stores tells us to get black.
3. Can we find a used baby grand in our price range or should we stick to upright?

Thank you for any advice.

Leila

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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780419
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these seem like the best of the options to me :
4. A 1972 Yamaha upright black used $3500.
5. Yamaha Baby Grand Piano GH1 in Ebony used $5000

How old is the GH1?

In general getting a grand is WAY better. You have the full length of the string to sculpt the sound against, and you are working with a real after-touch and action mechanism.

Black is more popular throughout the country EXCEPT miami smile

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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780425
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I believe used white pianos may turn yellow with age, not sure if this is true but it surely deterred me from getting one.

The Yamaha GH1 for $5k sounds good, but again it depends on how old it is..

If you have the space and desire for a grand piano, why not get one? smile


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780426
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thanks I am waiting on the year of the Yamaha.

I didn't think of that with the white...not good. I do know white furniture that's oil based will turn yellow.

There was also another used 1986 Yamaha C1 in Ebony Polish for $6000.

Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780427
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Lulu, I am not an expert by no means. When I purchased a new piano in 2015 for 20,000 (yamaha YUS 5) I asked the store owner that baby grand is the same price, actually less. The store was in business for 75 years, passed down through the generations, kind of the pillar of the community so I trusted them. He said sometimes people buy furniture instead of a quality instrument. For what you have to spend, I would research and call a tuner and ask for advice about the quality of the instrument. I do know the Yamaha U1 and U3 uprights are supposed to be outstanding instruments and rugged enough for schools. My friend bought a rebuilt U3 from my tuner who refurbishes pianos and is very happy with it. Hope this helps.


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780429
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thank you. I was going to have a tuner go look at whatever we decide to buy. It's just that these are not near each other so I need to narrow them down to 2 or 3...if its even worth it to do that.

Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780437
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Hi Leila,

A white piano is usually more expensive when bought and harder to sell smile
I would not go for a 1972 yamaha even if it was a U3. The action with all its moving parts, strings, the Wood of the corpus everything ages. Recently i saw a report on a schimmel upright (renowned german manufacturer) worth €10000 in 2001 it is about 3500 35% in 2018 because it was in good condition. Just to give an idea - sometimes dealers ask fortunes for acient instruments..

With your budget you will get a good used upright. I would prefer a good used yamaha over a new Essex.

Of course if you find a Baby Grand in good condition not older than 10 years go on smile

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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780443
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Have you considered a digital piano? You could get a nice one in that price range (or less), even one that looks like a baby grand. With (potentially) five people claiming time on the piano, being able to play in silent mode with headphones might be a welcome option.

If, in the future, you want to switch to acoustic, then you'd have several years to read, study, and play a number of pianos in order to hone your own sense of what you want in an acoustic.


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: steinwayman18] #2780444
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Originally Posted by steinwayman18
these seem like the best of the options to me :
4. A 1972 Yamaha upright black used $3500.
5. Yamaha Baby Grand Piano GH1 in Ebony used $5000

How old is the GH1?

In general getting a grand is WAY better. You have the full length of the string to sculpt the sound against, and you are working with a real after-touch and action mechanism.

Black is more popular throughout the country EXCEPT miami smile

It all depends on the condition of the grand or upright and also the
brands of both .,and the individual piano .Also the grand should be a reasonable length.
Start with a piano you enjoy playing or listening to .

Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Stubbie] #2780450
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Originally Posted by Stubbie
Have you considered a digital piano? You could get a nice one in that price range (or less), even one that looks like a baby grand. With (potentially) five people claiming time on the piano, being able to play in silent mode with headphones might be a welcome option.

If, in the future, you want to switch to acoustic, then you'd have several years to read, study, and play a number of pianos in order to hone your own sense of what you want in an acoustic.


Currently you can get a new Yamaha Avant Grand N2 for about $8000 because the new model N2x is expected soon. It is a very good piano. For a little more, under $10,000 you can probably find the new Kawai NV10. True grand piano action with loads of other options. And the ability to play with head phones. IMO, the best piano you can buy in your price range.


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780474
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Since you’re the one that studied piano, have you played or heard any of the pianos that you listed? If you haven’t touched a piano and don’t feel comfortable playing, bring a friend who plays or ask the seller to play it for you. Make detailed notes about what you like and maybe pick the top 2 or 3. Then have an independent piano technician check them out, even the new Essex if that’s still in the top 2 or 3. Whichever you buy, you can be confident if it passes the tech’s looksee, that taking lessons on it should be really enjoyable. Best of luck!


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780622
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yes i have heard all of them played. The ones I didn't like the sound I didn't list as choices above.

Is there any major difference between the Yamahas I posted?

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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780630
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Originally Posted by Lulu0915
Is there any major difference between the Yamahas I posted?


This old PW thread should be helpful.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1615/1.html

The Yamaha C1 would definitely be a step up from a GH1 - although it is 32 years old. Definitely have any used instrument you are considering checked by a independent piano tech - it is well worth the money.

Are you still considering the 1972 upright?


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Carey] #2780636
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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by Lulu0915
Is there any major difference between the Yamahas I posted?

This old PW thread should be helpful.
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1615/1.html

The Yamaha C1 would definitely be a step up from a GH1 - although it is 32 years old. Definitely have any used instrument you are considering checked by a independent piano tech - it is well worth the money.

Are you still considering the 1972 upright?

And here's another old PW thread that mentions the GH1....
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2143452/1.html


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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780937
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IMO, most grands under 5' are glorified coffee tables. And condition is always king in a used piano, which is where you're going if you want a pretty decent piano for $8k or under.

So, having said that, let's look for grands at least 5 feet, and preferably larger. If you can find a Baldwin M (5'2") in good shape, even though it may a bit of age, it's a good piano. Most Yamahas and Kawais will be decent to good, depending on series.

You may run across a bit bigger Korean well within your budget. There were several pianos made about 15 years ago, in that 5'5"-6'1" range that should fall in your budget...Do some knocking around in archives around that time and search on things like Young Chang, Kohler & Campbell, Pramberger, Weber, etc, if you can fit a five footer, you can almost always fit a piano just 6-8 inches longer.

In more recent used pianos, some of the Chinese Hailuns could certainly fit in your budget, depending on circumstance, as could some others. Do some searching on threads 5-8 years ago on names such as Hailun, Brodmann or Rittmuller.

I don't bird dog for BHA, or even advocate their shop, but this is what is available for an asking price of $8900ish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=vXLo2j_wh10

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Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2780954
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The yamaha above I listed based on the serial number seems to be from 1991. Is that too old?

GH1 B 4911693

Re: Getting a new piano and need advice [Re: Lulu0915] #2781041
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Originally Posted by Lulu0915
The yamaha above I listed based on the serial number seems to be from 1991. Is that too old?
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Age shouldn't be a major factor. Current condition is most important. If you are really interested in this particular instrument, you should find an independent tech to evaluate it for you. How good an instrument "sounds" doesn't tell the whole story.


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