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What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? #2780817
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I really love the sound and can’t see the name.
I didn’t think Richter was playing on Yamaha yet, but
it kind of sounds like one.
Anyone know?

https://youtu.be/jV1K_jCjqU4

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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780836
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Of course, I could be very wrong, but it LOOKS like a Hamburg Steinway.

As you note, the problem is that it doesn't SOUND too much like one, at least to me.

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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780840
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Steinway D circa 1957, judging from the plate.

Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Chernobieff Piano] #2780841
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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano


The Knabe has a screw on the plate at the right end of the pin block. I don't see it in the video.

Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: oldMH] #2780854
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Originally Posted by oldMH
Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano


The Knabe has a screw on the plate at the right end of the pin block. I don't see it in the video.


The one in the Richter video also has the diagonal brace across the tenor section, as Steinway Ds do, visible at 0:11.

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Looks like the taping is from the Atheneum concert hall in Bucharest on February 27, 1960. I know they now have a Steinway on stage, but this is almost 59 years ago....


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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780869
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Definitely a Hamburg Steinway D - the diagonal brace from the tenor/bass break to the first treble section, the small plate brace in the middle of the tenor section crossbar, and the shape of the lid prop give it away.


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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780881
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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Karl Watson] #2780909
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Wow. Wow...Oh wow I would have NEVER thought that was Hamburg D.
My ears said Yamaha, immediately.
Never heard a Hamburg that sounded like that.
Wow. Thx All!

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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano


It couldn't be Knabe -- the fallboard is vertical on this piano, Knabe's "waterfall" fallboard slopes back. I have one.


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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780939
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Originally Posted by Horowitz67
Wow. Wow...Oh wow I would have NEVER thought that was Hamburg D.
My ears said Yamaha, immediately.
Never heard a Hamburg that sounded like that.
Wow. Thx All!


A decent instrument can be voiced over a wide range by a competent technician. One piano can be made to sound like another and vice versa. Richter liked his pianos bright (and permanently defected to Yamahas in 1969).

Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: oldMH] #2780943
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Originally Posted by oldMH
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Wow. Wow...Oh wow I would have NEVER thought that was Hamburg D.
My ears said Yamaha, immediately.
Never heard a Hamburg that sounded like that.
Wow. Thx All!


A decent instrument can be voiced over a wide range by a competent technician. One piano can be made to sound like another and vice versa. Richter liked his pianos bright (and permanently defected to Yamahas in 1969).


True. And perfectly said.

Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2780956
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There were few instances where Richter "defected" from Yamaha, so there are lots of Steinway recordings from the early 80s (Think Rachmaninoff Etudes Tableaux from 1983 or the Bach WTC on a Bösendorfer). Still he felt comfortable with Yamaha and it was always a pleasure to hear him on a really well prepared one.

Since he did not travel with his own piano but played the ones provided by a local Yamaha dealer or subsidiary, there were Ons and Offs, also in regard to the technician preparing the pianos.

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When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought Horowitz67 was asking about one of my pianos... but I guess not. smile

Of course, the Richter in the YT video sure could play well. A whole lot better than me. smile

Don't have a clue what kind of piano he's playing, but I love the long-tail jacket.

Rick



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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: Horowitz67] #2781110
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Because there is a video feed on this recording, I could tell it was a Hamburg D that Richter played. But regarding the tone, I have to say that I have heard quite a few recordings from solidly Steinway artists, some in the past and some still current, that would sound quite bright and this recording's was not terribly out of norm from those.

On the other hand, I found it harder and harder to directly compare recorded sound (presumably or confirmedly made on Steinways) to my own experience of playing one or listening to one in close distance. I didn't use to own any Steinway until about 3 years ago, and all the prior experience was as an audience in front of my stereo, an audience at a large or small concert hall, or sometimes at a private even smaller venue. Now the experience includes sitting at the bench or listening at less than 10 feet away. If I want to scrutinize it, no recording would match the experience of close-range listening no matter how the voicing was done.

However if I just relaxed and enjoyed the music being made by an outstanding artist, then the tonal difference does not matter much at all.


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Re: What kind of Piano is Richter playing here? [Re: adamp88] #2781209
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Originally Posted by adamp88
Definitely a Hamburg Steinway D - the diagonal brace from the tenor/bass break to the first treble section, the small plate brace in the middle of the tenor section crossbar, and the shape of the lid prop give it away.


Which of these distinguish German from American D? Just the lid prop?

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From a visual point of view, the lid prop is the easiest and quickest distinction to make. Hamburg also used wood veneer on the inner rim much earlier than NY (which only started doing so in recent years), and used polyester (glossy black) finishes much earlier than NY. The style of music desk, the fallboard (NY has the very top fold down when open, Hamburg has a more typical fallboard) and the shape of the arms and cheekblocks (more rounded on a Hamburg) also differ.

There are quite a few more differences that aren't visual, but that about covers the different visual cues.


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Originally Posted by adamp88

There are quite a few more differences that aren't visual, but that about covers the different visual cues.


NY Steinways have a nickel front plate for the pedals, Hamburgs don't, the lyre is plain black.

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Usually brass, but yes.


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