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How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? #2779085
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Every week I go there and I have trouble playing it because it barely sounds like a piano. It's bright and tinny and cheap sounding. When I hit a key and the sound hits my ear, I don't associate it with a familiar sound so I make mistakes I don't make at home on my Yamaha U3. I also have a keyboard and I'm wondering if I should be practicing on that. That's how desperate I am. She's a fantastic teacher and a virtuoso so I really don't want to switch teachers. She lives in one of the biggest houses I've ever seen so I kind of assume that she can afford something better. She tells me she only paid $500 for it. Any suggestions? Brian

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Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2779086
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Well, then the only option is just to mention it. I really don't think it'll offend them, especially if what you're saying that she's a great teacher/virtuoso, it's more than likely she knows that too.

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Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2779093
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Hi Brian
A lot of sympathy! While I think you should talk to her, I would Recommend that you tread carefully. I’m sure , since she plays that well, she knows her piano is a piece of junk, but I doubt she can afford any better. You are making an assumption that because she lives in a big house, she has income that will allow her to buy something better. I am doubtful,

Just tell her you are having problems playing on her piano and ask for her advice; maybe suggest bringing your digital to lessons?

I’m afraid you will not get her to upgrade, regardless of the reason.

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Something is wrong with that picture if she is a legitimate teacher. There are teachers and there are real piano teachers with a passion to teach doing it on a decent instrument. It is important to play on an instrument that is at pitch or reasonably close to pitch, has a pleasant tone, reasonable touch etc. Also important is the need for the instrument to have pedals that work properly and hammers that are not deeply grooved and/or flattened on the strike point. How often has the piano been tuned ? do the unisons sound as one and how do octaves sound. She may be able to make a $500 piano sound good but its unfair to teach students on a poor instrument since they are learning ear training, how a properly tuned piano should sound. It may be time to interview another teacher. BTW what brand of piano and what size is it spinet / console ? studio ?

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Perhaps it's a ploy on her part to get you to use everything in your power to make her awful piano sound good?

As a student, I went for a time to one of the 'big/famous' teachers (long dead) in London - who charged a fortune for lessons. She had the most DREADFUL piano - bits of key top missing, loose pedals, dreadful regulation, broken strings. I remember being stumped as to why she taught on such a nasty instrument - although I never asked.

Anyway, she was over-rated, and a really sour old bag - so I didn't stay with her for long in any case smile




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LOl this is funny. Contrast this to the thread with the person whose teacher insisted they buy a Steinway or they wouldn’t teach them anymore!

Maybe you can take your teacher shopping wink. Just kidding I don’t have an answer but it certainly is a twist.


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Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2779127
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It's not your place to criticize her piano. She'll be offended and you'll no longer get her best teaching. Just put up with it, unless you want to put your money where your mouth is and actually buy her a better replacement piano.

That would still offend her, but she might accept the gift nonetheless.

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Make her come to your place or switch teachers.



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Originally Posted by Learux
Make her come to your place or switch teachers.


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you might have to pay her extra for lessons to cover the commuting time and vehicle use (bicycling distance would be ideal, because it seems your teacher isn't flush with €), but taking lessons on your piano appears to be the easiest solution.

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She may very well be highly offended, or tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. If you tell her that her piano is junk, she might assume you think that she doesn't know how to choose a piano, or that you know more about what makes a good instrument than she does. Many fine old pianos have changed hands for $500 or less.

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Tell her there are some really interesting threads on Pianoworld's Piano Forum right now.

Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2779227
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Is she teachng you classical music interpretation, or is she teaching you jazz interpretation?

It makes a difference, and I say this as a professional classical pianist who listens, basically, only to jazz.

Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: dogperson] #2779237
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She lives in one of the biggest houses I've ever seen so I kind of assume that she can afford something better


You're probably right. But have you seen the rest of her house? Some teachers have a "teaching piano" quite separate from their personal piano. Although the quality differential can be quite large, the "teaching piano" usually isn't total junk if the personal piano is decent. Nice Steinway personal, decent Yamaha studio. New Grotrian personal, classic old Steinway studio. If the teaching piano is as bad as you describe, this is a very strong signal, no matter how good, or sweet, you think this teacher may be. The red light is flashing.

You can probably find a teacher who is just as good and just as compelling as this one in your area. One whose teaching piano isn't a barrier to effective progress. Start looking.

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Granted, I'm using someone else's resources, but I always insist that my students get to play the better piano in my 2-piano teaching studios...since their tuition (combined with everyone's tax dollars) paid for it!


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Re: How do I Tell My Teacher Her Piano Sucks? [Re: prout] #2779296
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The size of the house is never an indicator of a good piano inside. Nor are the pair of Lexus SUV's in the driveway. Most people take offence if you give a negative opinion about their piano. "It's a good starter piano" is piano tech speak for "your piano sucks, and you should replace it".

Some teachers have "good starter pianos".




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Her piano seems to be taking you to places you,ve never been .If
you suggest bringing your digital with you to lessons she may just
just agree to going to your home to teach you on your U3 .
Otherwise she may have some work done on it to improve the sound.
I cannot imagine these lessons can be creative on such a piano .
What type of piano is it ?

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Why not say ' I find your piano really difficult to play (don't say the piano is junk) could we try a lesson on my piano instead and see how that works?'

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Originally Posted by gwing
Why not say ' I find your piano really difficult to play (don't say the piano is junk) could we try a lesson on my piano instead and see how that works?'


It's a tactful suggestions, but if she really is the "fantastic teacher" that the OP claims (which may suggest a large number of students), it is quite possible that she wouldn't have time - nor, perhaps, the inclination - to travel to give a lesson.

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I had a similar experience, but it may not be extreme like your case.

I found that my teacher's upright I was having lessons on had quite a narrow palette of timbre (Is this the right word?), which kinda threw me off.
When played to forte, it got louder, but it didn't get much more open or brighter. It remained round and mellow.
The teacher might have noticed how I struggled to bring the melody to stand out, so he mentioned that this piano was always warm and a bit dull no matter how it was played. He said it was given to him as a gift. So in a way, he was not completely happy with its performance either.
However, it served the function for beginner lessons well enough. The piano is tuned and played well in other aspects.
The lessons were moved to a grand, when students reached intermediate levels.

My suggestion would be to tell the truth in a polite way. You could tell the teacher that you have a problem adjusting to her piano, since it is very different from your piano at home. Maybe you will get her to talk more about the piano and its shortcoming. And hopefully there is a solution from there.

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My first and only teacher had an awful Winter spinet. I was learning on a cheapo digital but immediately recognized that the Winter was a true piece of junk. I never said anything to her about the horrible piano but decided to be self taught from then on. I now have a nice Yamaha grand but intend to upgrade eventually. I suspect I would be playing much better than I am if my teacher had had a better piano and I had continued with lessons.


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greetings,
Rather than get bogged down in how other people feel about the piano, consider this. If the piano is a thin, tinny, sounding instrument, the teacher will never be able to teach you anything about controlling your tone. Tone, on any instrument is critical to communicating the emotional impact available. On a piano, tone is controlled by force, with brilliance building with volume. A brassy instrument doesn't allow any work in this area.

There will also be little ability to discuss or improve your playing in the sense of a dynamic range. So, you may need a more discerning teacher.
Regards,

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There is a hidden advantage to playing your teacher’s sucky piano. If you can play, test, and succeed playing a piece of crap piano, you can pretty much play recitals and in front of a crowd on anything. Sadly many recital pianos are out of tune, damaged keys, or just sound atrocious. Plus, you’ll really appreciate your practice piano at home. Best of Luck! I guess I’m extremely blessed to be an intermediate piano student and I can enjoy playing my piano and don’t have to “gut it out on a $500 piece of junk”. God in Heaven, how can she stand it? My ear isn’t that sensitive but I wince when I hear or play a badly out of tune piano.


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Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney
Every week I go there and I have trouble playing it because it barely sounds like a piano. It's bright and tinny and cheap sounding. When I hit a key and the sound hits my ear, I don't associate it with a familiar sound so I make mistakes I don't make at home on my Yamaha U3. I also have a keyboard and I'm wondering if I should be practicing on that. That's how desperate I am. She's a fantastic teacher and a virtuoso so I really don't want to switch teachers. She lives in one of the biggest houses I've ever seen so I kind of assume that she can afford something better. She tells me she only paid $500 for it. Any suggestions? Brian


If I interpreted your post correctly, your teacher's piano is not out of tune, and the touch (or generally speaking, key/action movements) is within normal range. Is that right?

If that is the case, your teacher may be one of those pros who are excellent in adapting to instruments of all kind of conditions, and thus does not care for the finer details of her instrument if it is still in a reasonably playable condition. This is coming from my own personal, absolutely subjective experience: In my household, I, a total amateur, am the one who whined about the piano's conditions. On the other hand, my wife who was professionally trained and always played/sounded much nicer on any instruments we both played, rarely cared for any condition that I reported to our technician during his visit.

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It depends on the cost of your lessons. I agree with @terminaldegree that the price paid for your lessons includes the cost of playing an instrument. So if the lessons are cheap you should not expect playing a good instrument, but if the price is normal or high you should expect playing a decent piano, and it's a teacher's responsibility to make that investment. If she does not want to, it's unfair, and I think you have a full right to mention to her that you are not satisfied with her instrument. Don't say it's a junk, just say politely that after playing a decent instrument at home you can't adapt to playing her piano and this circumstance significantly spoils your lessons experience.

And, to say honest, good teachers don't play on bad pianos. If a teacher really loves music and loves to play it, she buys herself a good piano.

I would be very cautious about her teaching abilities. If you play piano just for 10 months and you have already injured yourself, as we know from your another post, is she really a good teacher?

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
If a piano teacher has a phone that costs more than their piano, they’re doing it wrong...


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You could say to her that you would like to record yourself on her piano using your phone so that you can post it on Facebook. She might not be happy with this and you could then ask her why not? In addition I'm sure we would all be interested to hear the piano if you also posted it here smile

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Originally Posted by Beemer
You could say to her that you would like to record yourself on her piano using your phone so that you can post it on Facebook. She might not be happy with this and you could then ask her why not? In addition I'm sure we would all be interested to hear the piano if you also posted it here smile

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