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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779177
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I'm psychic.

You certainly are! thumb

Well, actually, I'm not psychic. But I recognize a pattern of behavior when I see one.

It's not hard to predict behavior, but a whole different ballgame when you have to change a behavior. That takes massive skills.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779329
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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
He is dropping next week, so he had a month's worth of lessons. He really struggled with learning fingering for chords and their inversions. He thought he would just play chords with both hands when playing hymns in church. I tried to explain that he would need to learn the melody with the right hand, and brought in lead sheets to demonstrate...

A noble effort. You're right to draw the line about how to teach chords and insist on melody, even if isn't full blown reading. Else, there is no context for the chords. Singing and playing is harder yet, so there will always be a need for something more then what they can do themselves. Hope you will see though, that not everyone is like this and just because they say they want chords, not all are opposed to learning any different. As you say, he is quitter. But, good job for you I'd say and all you know better for next time.

Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2779394
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I kept thinking everyone was having the same typo with synesthesia! Like, jeeze, what's with no one knowing how to spell this word?!

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.

Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: SchroedersCat] #2779423
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Originally Posted by SchroedersCat

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Whizbang] #2779487
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Originally Posted by Whizbang
Originally Posted by SchroedersCat

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best

...especially if you want to master any grade 25 piece such as the awesome Super Duper Ultimate Swordsman Song from Final Fantasy XXXVIII which is the obvious reason one would play piano at all.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2779621
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Whizbang
Originally Posted by SchroedersCat

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best

...especially if you want to master any grade 25 piece such as the awesome Super Duper Ultimate Swordsman Song from Final Fantasy XXXVIII which is the obvious reason one would play piano at all.


Hey, is this some kind of a joke? I thought Final Fantasy was only up to XXXI or XXXII? 🤪

And somebody needs to tell them "final" doesn't mean what they think it means!

Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Agent88] #2779647
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Originally Posted by Agent88
Hey, is this some kind of a joke? I thought Final Fantasy was only up to XXXI or XXXII? 🤪

Pretty sure it was already up to that with the FF on my Super Nintendo in the 90's wink

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And somebody needs to tell them "final" doesn't mean what they think it means!

Hilariously, it's only that because "final" is a famous word in Japanese grin

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In 2015, Sakaguchi explained the name's origin: the team wanted a title that would abbreviate to "FF", which would sound good in Japanese. The name was originally going to be Fighting Fantasy, but due to concerns over trademark conflicts with the roleplaying gamebook series of the same name, they needed to settle for something else. As the word "Final" was a famous word in Japan, Sakaguchi settled on that. According to Sakaguchi, any title that created the "FF" abbreviation would have done.

Obligatory piano teacher content: I seriously wonder how many piano teachers there are who have gotten suckered into teaching their young charges the most famous theme from FF. LOL:


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779731
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Nice playing but he's sitting too far and too high.

<humor! from a recent thread>


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: TimR] #2779756
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Originally Posted by TimR
Nice playing but he's sitting too far and too high.

<humor! from a recent thread>

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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779871
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To get back OT, the adult who only wanted to learn chords cancelled his lesson 1 hour beforehand. next week is his last lesson. cursing


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779915
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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
To get back OT, the adult who only wanted to learn chords cancelled his lesson 1 hour beforehand. next week is his last lesson. cursing

I hope you bring some good music to practice while getting paid wink


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2779947
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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
To get back OT, the adult who only wanted to learn chords cancelled his lesson 1 hour beforehand. next week is his last lesson. cursing

Ha! Nice one.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Morodiene] #2780066
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
To get back OT, the adult who only wanted to learn chords cancelled his lesson 1 hour beforehand. next week is his last lesson. cursing

I hope you bring some good music to practice while getting paid wink



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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2782721
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To be much more than fair to the student, he may have confused the two meanings of "knowledge" that are distinguished in Spanish:

"book knowledge" -- like physics, or musical theory, or sociology;

"how-to knowledge" -- like wiring-up a theremin, or playing from a lead sheet, or leading a group.

In music (in my experience), you can get the "book knowledge" a heck of a lot faster, than you can get the "how-to knowledge".

I often feel that my mind knows what to do, but my fingers are absolutely unable to comply with its commands.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: chasingrainbows] #2783638
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Maybe this is what he had in mind:-
[video:yahoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCC6fxrmA9M[/video]


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: petebfrance] #2783735
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Originally Posted by petebfrance
Maybe this is what he had in mind:-
[video:yahoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCC6fxrmA9M[/video]

I just watched it. Around 0:55 Jagger begins to show what he does to warm up. No melody is being played. Only chords. So the question of learning to play chords plus melody doesn't come into it. I would think that going to a teacher who teaches a "classical" kind of approach was the wrong way to go. I suspect that those who teach this kind of thing go at it from a different angle. Maybe they'd get the poor guy to get fluid in all of his chords first, and do a lot of listening. (I think I read something like that once.)

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Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by petebfrance
Maybe this is what he had in mind:-
[video:yahoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCC6fxrmA9M[/video]

I just watched it. Around 0:55 Jagger begins to show what he does to warm up. No melody is being played. Only chords. So the question of learning to play chords plus melody doesn't come into it. I would think that going to a teacher who teaches a "classical" kind of approach was the wrong way to go. I suspect that those who teach this kind of thing go at it from a different angle. Maybe they'd get the poor guy to get fluid in all of his chords first, and do a lot of listening. (I think I read something like that once.)

Yep, no melody, just chords. A friend of mine demonstrated that he too could play the piano using exactly that approach. I suspect it originates in playing an instrument like the guitar (as my friend does, only he is perfectly capable of doing more than just chords) and is accompaniment only and is probably common enough in - not sure how to put it, 'pop group circles' perhaps? Probably mixes in nicely with other instruments. Not a fan, myself, but thought it worth a mention.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: petebfrance] #2783894
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Originally Posted by petebfrance
Probably mixes in nicely with other instruments. Not a fan, myself, but thought it worth a mention.


Probably a large percentage of piano students never get to the point where they can do a simple chord accompaniment with other instruments or singers and stay in time and rhythm with them - they lack the fluency.


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Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by petebfrance
Maybe this is what he had in mind:-
[video:yahoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCC6fxrmA9M[/video]

I just watched it. Around 0:55 Jagger begins to show what he does to warm up. No melody is being played. Only chords. So the question of learning to play chords plus melody doesn't come into it. I would think that going to a teacher who teaches a "classical" kind of approach was the wrong way to go. I suspect that those who teach this kind of thing go at it from a different angle. Maybe they'd get the poor guy to get fluid in all of his chords first, and do a lot of listening. (I think I read something like that once.)


I gave him a chord chart, and he then produced his very own. He is slightly knowledgeable about chords. I suggested that learning scales would assist his understanding of chords. After 3 lessons, he was still struggling with the transition between I, IV and V chords with the left hand.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: TimR] #2783966
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Originally Posted by TimR
Originally Posted by petebfrance
Probably mixes in nicely with other instruments. Not a fan, myself, but thought it worth a mention.


Probably a large percentage of piano students never get to the point where they can do a simple chord accompaniment with other instruments or singers and stay in time and rhythm with them - they lack the fluency.


I suspect that, like my friend and Mick Jagger, (most?) people who do play that way comfortably have come from playing the guitar so are already used to playing along with other instruments, singing or what have you. Perhaps arpeggios starting at different positions (to give inversions) would help, for some reason I find them more 'approachable' (well, satisfying, really) for going through cycles of keys than just playing the chords which I occasionally do for a warm-up before playing.


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