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Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords #2779020
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He is dropping next week, so he had a month's worth of lessons. He really struggled with learning fingering for chords and their inversions. He thought he would just play chords with both hands when playing hymns in church. I tried to explain that he would need to learn the melody with the right hand, and brought in lead sheets to demonstrate. I guess it was too much for him. What a surprise. smile


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This worked out just about right. You taught him, he paid you. He learned that this was biting off far more than he was prepared to chew. Satisfactory results for both, right?


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Hopefully the student realized he didn't need a teacher for learning to play chords with the right hand and a base note with the left and wasn't turned off from piano permanently. That's what got me started. All I originally wanted to do was play simple accompaniment to sing with and that started a love of the instrument.

The real surprise here is that there's so much glee over a student's failure

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You missed the point Jarobi.
The student was given good advice by his teacher which he chose to ignore.
The student thought he was smarter than his teacher and he quit.
So no surprise ending to this story.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Joe302] #2779095
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Originally Posted by Joe302
You missed the point Jarobi.
The student was given good advice by his teacher which he chose to ignore.
The student thought he was smarter than his teacher and he quit.
So no surprise ending to this story.

My inference from him quitting was not that he was smarter than his teacher, but that when he realized the world was not quite the way he thought, he realized it would be too much work to get to where he wanted to go. That often happens in life.


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: jarobi] #2779096
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Originally Posted by jarobi
Hopefully the student realized he didn't need a teacher for learning to play chords with the right hand and a base note with the left and wasn't turned off from piano permanently. That's what got me started. All I originally wanted to do was play simple accompaniment to sing with and that started a love of the instrument.

The real surprise here is that there's so much glee over a student's failure.
Why do you see this as a failure? No one but you used that term.

I fail every day when working in my electronics lab doing ‘from first principles’ design. As a result I learn the limitations of my knowledge, my techniques, my inattentiveness, and so on. I am always happy with my failures because I learn a vast amount, repair the damage or design, and move on.

This is how we learn. This student learned a valuable life lesson. He should be happy with the result.

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Originally Posted by prout
[quote=jarobi]I fail every day when working in my electronics lab doing ‘from first principles’ design.

OT, but as one electronics tinkerer to another, have you even created anything for your piano/music?


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2779100
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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[quote=jarobi]I fail every day when working in my electronics lab doing ‘from first principles’ design.

OT, but as one electronics tinkerer to another, have you even created anything for your piano/music?
I designed and built a vacuum tube theremin from first prinicples, so I guess you could call that ‘created ... for music. I actually performed, badly, the Debussy prelude ‘La fille aux cheveux de lin’ with my wife accompanying me for a group of professional musician friends. They had a good laugh.

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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: prout] #2779109
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Originally Posted by prout
I designed and built a vacuum tube theremin from first prinicples, so I guess you could call that ‘created ... for music. I actually performed, badly, the Debussy prelude ‘La fille aux cheveux de lin’ with my wife accompanying me for a group of professional musician friends. They had a good laugh.

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That is simply awesome! You even created a nice stand for it! I am tinkering with creating an ultra-low distortion headphone amp from ganged operational amplifiers. But I can't say that is from first principles like your creation. Mine is not very practical since it will be horribly expensive, not worth the additional linearity. More expensive than even tube headphone amps since it requires so many opamps to get enough power. Still in the tinkering stage. No actual functional thing like your theremin! Can't think of anything yet for the piano though, not even any practice toys. frown

[OK everyone, back to your regularly scheduled channel of talking about that (ex-)student! wink ]


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Re: Update on Adult who only wanted to learn chords [Re: AZNpiano] #2779112
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I'm psychic.


You certainly are! thumb


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Yes, please. My first thread was totally overtaken by a totally different topic. smile


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prout made very good points. I never imagined that I would still be struggling over some technically horrendous measures in music I planned to learn. I've failed often in my attempts too learn big repertiore. It just motivates me to work harder. This guy was a quitter. He only wanted to learn chords for one hand. I think he realized it wasn't as easy as he thought it would be. he didn't care to keep going.


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Jeez Lou-Weeze!
I'm not going to put down how long I have been working on learning chords and inversions, but it is a helluva lot longer than 1 month.


I've been trying to change my signature quote for weeks.

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Jeez Lou-Weeze!
I'm not going to put down how long I have been working on learning chords and inversions, but it is a helluva lot longer than 1 month.


Same here, lol...

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Originally Posted by prout
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This is great! Tube electronics on a three legged wood table. It's what I would call Gen II Steam Punk.


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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
This guy was a quitter. He only wanted to learn chords for one hand. I think he realized it wasn't as easy as he thought it would be. he didn't care to keep going.


did you try synthesia?


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Originally Posted by Whizbang
Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
This guy was a quitter. He only wanted to learn chords for one hand. I think he realized it wasn't as easy as he thought it would be. he didn't care to keep going.


did you try synthesia?

Synthesia - Church Hymn Edition


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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This guy was a quitter. He only wanted to learn chords for one hand. I think he realized it wasn't as easy as he thought it would be. he didn't care to keep going.


did you try synthesia?

Synthesia - Church Hymn Edition

looool. I can't.

Also.. a month of lessons, what is that, like four lessons?

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Originally Posted by hello my name is
Also.. a month of lessons, what is that, like four lessons?

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That's nothing. On Reddit r/piano, there are folks who feel frustrated and are thinking about quitting piano after a week since they can't master the grade 25 Final Fantasy XXXVIII Super Duper Ultimate Swordsman Song in Synthesia...


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You certainly are! thumb

Well, actually, I'm not psychic. But I recognize a pattern of behavior when I see one.

It's not hard to predict behavior, but a whole different ballgame when you have to change a behavior. That takes massive skills.


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Originally Posted by chasingrainbows
He is dropping next week, so he had a month's worth of lessons. He really struggled with learning fingering for chords and their inversions. He thought he would just play chords with both hands when playing hymns in church. I tried to explain that he would need to learn the melody with the right hand, and brought in lead sheets to demonstrate...

A noble effort. You're right to draw the line about how to teach chords and insist on melody, even if isn't full blown reading. Else, there is no context for the chords. Singing and playing is harder yet, so there will always be a need for something more then what they can do themselves. Hope you will see though, that not everyone is like this and just because they say they want chords, not all are opposed to learning any different. As you say, he is quitter. But, good job for you I'd say and all you know better for next time.

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I kept thinking everyone was having the same typo with synesthesia! Like, jeeze, what's with no one knowing how to spell this word?!

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.

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Originally Posted by SchroedersCat

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best


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Originally Posted by Whizbang
Originally Posted by SchroedersCat

Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best

...especially if you want to master any grade 25 piece such as the awesome Super Duper Ultimate Swordsman Song from Final Fantasy XXXVIII which is the obvious reason one would play piano at all.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Then I looked up Synthesia. OH. Oh, dear.


but it is the best

...especially if you want to master any grade 25 piece such as the awesome Super Duper Ultimate Swordsman Song from Final Fantasy XXXVIII which is the obvious reason one would play piano at all.


Hey, is this some kind of a joke? I thought Final Fantasy was only up to XXXI or XXXII? 🤪

And somebody needs to tell them "final" doesn't mean what they think it means!

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Originally Posted by Agent88
Hey, is this some kind of a joke? I thought Final Fantasy was only up to XXXI or XXXII? 🤪

Pretty sure it was already up to that with the FF on my Super Nintendo in the 90's wink

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And somebody needs to tell them "final" doesn't mean what they think it means!

Hilariously, it's only that because "final" is a famous word in Japanese grin

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In 2015, Sakaguchi explained the name's origin: the team wanted a title that would abbreviate to "FF", which would sound good in Japanese. The name was originally going to be Fighting Fantasy, but due to concerns over trademark conflicts with the roleplaying gamebook series of the same name, they needed to settle for something else. As the word "Final" was a famous word in Japan, Sakaguchi settled on that. According to Sakaguchi, any title that created the "FF" abbreviation would have done.

Obligatory piano teacher content: I seriously wonder how many piano teachers there are who have gotten suckered into teaching their young charges the most famous theme from FF. LOL:


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Nice playing but he's sitting too far and too high.

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Originally Posted by TimR
Nice playing but he's sitting too far and too high.

<humor! from a recent thread>

laugh


I've been trying to change my signature quote for weeks.

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To get back OT, the adult who only wanted to learn chords cancelled his lesson 1 hour beforehand. next week is his last lesson. cursing


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