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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!! [Re: CruelStrings] #1416457
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Looking forward to further reviews. This is a completely mixed bag thus far.

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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #1416497
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Nice bump!

In case I didn't make it clear, I did contact tech support in an effort to troubleshoot, and they actually told me that it was rushed out and needs more work. It's now a year later, so I would expect them to have fixed some of the bugs. I'm not buying another one to find out though. If I find one in a store I'll give it whirl. I'll even update my negative reviews. smile

BTW, it amazes me how people like to [censored] on me for writing negative reviews detailing all the flaws, and don't consider the possibility that maybe... just maybe... their perfectly working Numa Neros have something to do with my persistence? wink I'm glad to hear of a few good ones now.

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #1416623
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Originally Posted by jscomposer


BTW, it amazes me how people like to [censored] on me for writing negative reviews detailing all the flaws,


Hey, you're not the only one needing a parapluie d'urine...anyone that writes a negative review gets a shower.

By the way, I listened to your Nocturne in F-sharp minor, and it is superb....reminded me of the French Canadian composer/pianist, André Gagnon, and you are in great company.

Very nice work. thumb

Snazzy


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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: snazzyplayer] #1418870
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Hello to everyone I have some questions for the professional pianists who own the numa or the numa nero or have tried one of them.

First the velocity response has been fixed, if not can being fixed with software or some other way. Can you be able to play Chopin etudes on them (op. 10 m No.4 for example) and other fast classical pieces without a problem?

Second can you be able to play a music piece with all the required “dynamics” (I don't know if this is the exact English word I mean pianissimo, forte etc)?

Third is it durable enough for study or play on it everyday, or should I expect problems in less than a year?

Fourth are there any other options on serious midi keyboards, in similar price range,that meet the above criteria?

Thank you?

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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: grego1] #1419660
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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: grego1] #1419711
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This isn't of much help at all, but FWIW, there's a guy called "Stocksam" in YouTube that does a lot of nice playing on the Numa. (but not the Nero):
http://www.youtube.com/user/stocksam

Greg.


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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: sullivang] #1420186
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Thanks for the link. I will try to have contact with him.

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #1454518
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Originally Posted by jscomposer
BTW, the Fatar TP/40WOOD does in fact have an optional escapement feature, but they didn't include it with the Nero.


I read about the optional escapement feture nowhere but here. Is it true? Where can I find more info and buy it?


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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: Qbert] #1454525
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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: BazC] #1454577
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Ok, thanks.

I've just written an email to Studiologic and I can also make a call. BTW, they're placed quite close to me!

I wonder if a Numa Nero, with escapement kit alredy installed, is available.


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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: Qbert] #1454586
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I will NEVER purchase a keyboard or controller with a Fatar action.
Never.

I've had two of them, an Ensoniq (Fatar action) and a Fatar StudioLogic Controller and both have the reliability of a Ford Pinto.

While I owned them, I became an expert at gluing the weights back into the cracked plastic "hammers", replacing the felt bumper pad and other necessary repairs.

Fatar uses a very brittle, cheap, plastic inside that cracks and the parts go flying everywhere.

It's the plastic equivalent of pig metal.

Maybe they have gotten better over the years, but I won't go near one.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: Qbert] #1462166
06/24/10 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Qbert

I wonder if a Numa Nero, with escapement kit alredy installed, is available.


If someone is interested (as I was), the escapment kit is NOT suitable for NUMA Nero.


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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: Qbert] #1953507
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It's been a while since the original bad review was posted here. I have something to add.

I bought what was sold to me as a new Numa Nero from an internet supplier, Sonicfiber last month. It turns out it was a B-Stock open box refurb. To make a long, frustrating story short, after a fight, I was able to get them to reimburse me some money which somewhat made it better. I decided to suck it up and keep it.

I can completely concur with what the OP said. This piano is the most incredible piano controller I have ever played as far as feel goes. Yet it all gets thrown out the window due to the flawed midi implementation. You cannot play this piano fast. Everything the OP said is true. My question to Studiologic is if indeed this can be fixed, or is this just the way the Nero is. I am awaiting to hear back from them. I suppose an amateur piano player would not be able to detect this issue, yet a seasoned pro definitely could. The problem is subtle, but absolutely unacceptable.

If they can't fix it, I will be returning it.

Another interesting thing is that they ditched the beautiful, high gloss finish. Numa Neros are all matte black now and they look very cheap. Apparently they were having quality control issues with the high gloss. That could be just BS for an underlaying motivation to cut costs, yet I can't know for sure. It sure is upsetting though, as the gloss Nero really had an elegance to it. In fact, that is part of the way in which it was marketed. Here is a picture of the new matte finish:

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Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #2779416
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May be your bad luck with Garmin Colorado GPS. I have two of them and they are going good. I also use bluetooth low energy beacon for gps tracking. Everything is okay. Sometime found some software issues. Nothing else.

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #2779419
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You're in a thread started nine years ago, and you've responded to a post from eight years ago ... from a person who has not been here for five years.
I don't expect he'll respond to you. smile

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #2779433
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I can`t hold myself anymore, I must add some lines to this thread just to be a part of history smile smile

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: jscomposer] #2779442
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I wonder if he still has the GPS.

Re: Studiologic Numa Nero MIDI controller. AVOID!!!!!! [Re: SteveO42] #2779454
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Originally Posted by SteveO42

I've had.....an Ensoniq (Fatar action)

While I owned them, I became an expert at gluing the weights back into the cracked plastic "hammers", replacing the felt bumper pad and other necessary repairs.

Fatar uses a very brittle, cheap, plastic inside that cracks and the parts go flying everywhere.

It's the plastic equivalent of pig metal.

Maybe they have gotten better over the years.......


In 1987, I bought an Ensoniq ESQ1 and liked the feel of the keyboard - it was maybe what you'd call semi weighted and had a better action than the Korgs and Rolands I'd played (Korg's keyboards were the worst). But the action in the keys, which were velocity sensitive, was weak. Every so often, a key would break as a weak shoulder of plastic sheared behind the key. I used to have to carry a tube of glue and a kit of tools around to rehearsals and gigs. The other lads in the band would have a tea break. Could that have been Fatar?


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