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Most appropriate jazz standards for beginners #2779432
11/09/18 01:40 AM
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So here I go. Another confusing point for an aspiring jazz pianist.

There is always that feeling for classical players about not being perfectly on tempo, touche, when they are left free to play whatever they want. This notion of playing accurate can be interpreted/defined as something else/different for a Chopin player and a Bach player.

For classically trained players, this might make more sense. At least if we want to draw a line between Bach and Chopin. IMO, Bach's music would require much rigorous hand independence, while Chopin would require much more intricacy, which ultimately eliminate the different feeling between left and right hand.

I see similar patterns on Nina Simone tunes, who is also classically trained. She borrows many patterns from Bach. Or a more modern example would be Jacques Louissier and his Bach interpretations.

Ultimately, I would like to hear some examples from the experienced players, who also resonates with my argument about Bach/Chopin, what are the most appropriate standards, which will leave a classically trained player confused.

This question inevitably boils down to the feeling of 'swing' I think. I've been recently dealing with some Nina Simone stuff, and I found it amazingly interesting how she merged those two schools of thought, classical and jazz.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: Most appropriate jazz standards for beginners [Re: mrdfw] #2779521
11/09/18 10:22 AM
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I think your classical analogy is a bit off in this respect. Different tunes generally don't pose different rhythmic challenges because you can pretty much play any tune with whatever groove you want. Many tunes, for example, are played with both swing and latin grooves. So to practice different grooves, you can pick almost any tunes.

In jazz, different tunes are used to pose the problem of playing over different chord progressions. For example, Autumn Leaves is used for beginners, because it have the ii-V-I progression on both major and minor. A more advanced tune is Stella by Starlight, because it has many ii-V progression that do not resolve to the associated I chord. Similarly, there are more advanced tunes by composers such as Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock that have unique chord movements.

I think of the Bach-Chopin analogy would be, for example, tunes by Gershwin and Porter (classic chord progressions) and tunes by Chick Corea, who uses very different kinds of chord movements.


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