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Beginner Piano #2779244
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I am 20 years old and currently studying. I want to learn the Piano, but I don't own one. I did some research and found these two pianos in the progress:

- Yamaha P-45
https://www.amazon.de/Yamaha-P-45B-...1689682&sr=8-3&keywords=piano+88

- Alesis Recital Pro
https://www.amazon.de/Alesis-Recital-PRO-Kopfh%C3%B6rerausgang-Schulungsfunktionen/dp/B072FKLXRB/ref=sr_1_5?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1541690599&sr=1-5&keywords=piano+88

Are these two good choices? Which one is better? If those two are bad why? And what would be a better piano for a beginner?

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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779250
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I think there isn't a piano (digital or acoustic) for beginner.

Low budget? Roland FP30.

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What does the Roland FP30 do better than the two products i named?

Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779252
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These 4 digital pianos are a solid base line to start your search with. Find a way to try them out and see if you connect with any of them.

Yamaha P125
Kawai ES110
Roland FP30
Casio PX160


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779273
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent0815
What does the Roland FP30 do better than the two products i named?


- More realistic piano sound
- More realistic piano sound behaviour in terms of the resonances "and stuff"
- Higher polyphony
- Rhythm tracks
- More realistic key action
- Individually weighted graded keys (as opposed to 3 or 4 zones)
- A progressive soft pedal if you get the triple pedal bar (and of course a progressive sustain pedal, but I guess the others might have that too)
- Bluetooth MIDI
- A useful mobile app for your Android or iOS device
- The Alesis doesn't have a dedicated furniture stand or triple pedal available(?)
- The Yamaha doesn't have a dedicated triple pedal bar available(?)
- A longer warranty? (I really didn't check this one, so maybe I'm wrong.)

Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779284
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It depends on your budget. Under $800 I recommend the Yamaha P-125 and the Roland FP-30. The FP-30 in my opinion has a better sound and action, whereas the Yamaha also has decent action and sound but better durability and quality control.

Under $1500 I recommend the Yamaha P-515.

The P45 is a good deal if your budget is under $500, you are a beginner and are unsure whether you will stick with piano or not. The P-125 is only marginally better than the P-45 sound wise and has a few extras. I believe the action is the same for both these DPs


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779455
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent0815
I am 20 years old and currently studying. I want to learn the Piano, but I don't own one. I did some research and found these two pianos in the progress:

- Yamaha P-45
https://www.amazon.de/Yamaha-P-45B-...1689682&sr=8-3&keywords=piano+88

- Alesis Recital Pro
https://www.amazon.de/Alesis-Recital-PRO-Kopfh%C3%B6rerausgang-Schulungsfunktionen/dp/B072FKLXRB/ref=sr_1_5?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1541690599&sr=1-5&keywords=piano+88

Are these two good choices? Which one is better? If those two are bad why? And what would be a better piano for a beginner?

Thanks in advance smile


There are 4 beginner level pianos which will be ok to start on and provide the key basics required to progress in piano:
1) 88 keys
2) Fully weighted action
3) Triple pedal

These are your best current options in alphabetical order
Casio PX160
Kawai ES110
Roland FP30
Yamaha P125

Of these, the Yamaha is the latest release. The Roland has a very good action for it's price bracket. The Kawai is also excellent. Try these three. Pick one and off you go. Easy.


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: Doug M.] #2779459
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Originally Posted by Doug M.

There are 4 beginner level pianos which will be ok to start on and provide the key basics required to progress in piano:
1) 88 keys
2) Fully weighted action
3) Triple pedal


Is a triple pedal really important (let alone essential) for a beginner pianist - or any pianist? I don't think I ever saw a three pedal piano until I saw a digital piano. Only a tiny minority of acoustics had three pedals, to include sostenuto, until recently. And the soft or una chorda is only used very sparingly and almost never indicated in the music. Its effect is subtle and in many pianos barely noticeable. And its effect varies depending on piano design, so there's little predicability in its use.

One pedal is absolutely essential, preferably graduated, but only one.


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: toddy] #2779460
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Originally Posted by toddy
Originally Posted by Doug M.

There are 4 beginner level pianos which will be ok to start on and provide the key basics required to progress in piano:
1) 88 keys
2) Fully weighted action
3) Triple pedal


Is a triple pedal really important (let alone essential) for a beginner pianist - or any pianist? I don't think I ever saw a three pedal piano until I saw a digital piano. Only a tiny minority of acoustics had three pedals, to include sostenuto, until recently. And the soft or una chorda is only used very sparingly and almost never indicated in the music. Its effect is subtle and in many pianos barely noticeable. And its effect varies depending on piano design, so there's little predicability in its use.

One pedal is absolutely essential, preferably graduated, but only one.


Nope, not essential---however, when you get one of these models with the stand and triple pedal, you can learn to a higher level before you need to buy something else. So from a long-term perspective, it makes sense. Also, it makes the second hand value slightly higher. I think most digital piano makers have raised the grade on replicating a grand piano, even at this beginner level.
On another point, if you get the triple pedal stand with these models, at least you don't have a wondering damper pedal to deal with---something that can be quite annoying.


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: Doug M.] #2779466
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Originally Posted by Doug

On another point, if you get the triple pedal stand with these models, at least you don't have a wondering damper pedal to deal with---something that can be quite annoying.

Yeah don’t want the pedal wondering what you’re playing! wink

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I agree about the importance of having a fixed pedal, but triple, no. Even for high grade or a diploma student, one pedal is enough. Other considerations to do with the sound and action, far more important.

An importance table I'd suggest is:

Triple pedal 0.5%
Fixed graduated sustain 4.5%
Dynamic and timbral expression 5%
Responsive weighted action 4%
Actually playing the #@#@ piano 86%


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: spanishbuddha] #2779478
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Originally Posted by Doug

On another point, if you get the triple pedal stand with these models, at least you don't have a wondering damper pedal to deal with---something that can be quite annoying.

Yeah don’t want the pedal wondering what you’re playing! wink


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Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779483
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I've been playing just over a year. I haven't even plugged my sustain pedal into the piano yet!

Re: Beginner Piano [Re: PianoStudent0815] #2779495
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I've been playing for just over 3 years and although I use the sustain pedal, I've recently started a piece that has u.c (una corda) marked on the score. So, now I'm using the accelerator pedal and the clutch pedal - just like driving a manual car only 37 time harder! I've never used the middle brake ... er... sostenuto pedal though.


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Originally Posted by toddy
Is a triple pedal really important (let alone essential) for a beginner pianist - or any pianist?


It is not important to me and never has been.

I use a single sustain pedal and put it exactly where I like to have it.

My last experience with a triple-pedal unit attached to a digital piano was that it seemed too close to me and made using it awkward.

I took the pedal unit off and have never used one since.


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I have a Clavinova piano, made by Yamaha ...
Originally Posted by toddy
Actually playing the #@#@ piano
Who makes this "#@#@" piano?

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Those other pedals can be quite useful. I use the una corda to change piano selections in my VST. I used to use the sostenuto as my on-screen page turner.
Originally Posted by dmd
[Triple pedal] is not important to me and never has been.
But ... for their intended functions the una corda and sostenuto don't do anything for me either.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Who makes this "#@#@" piano?


It looks like an Eastern emoticon, so maybe it's one of those Chinese manufacturers. (=^·^=)

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Those other pedals can be quite useful. I use the una corda to change piano selections in my VST. I used to use the sostenuto as my on-screen page turner.
Originally Posted by dmd
[Triple pedal] is not important to me and never has been.
But ... for their intended functions the una corda and sostenuto don't do anything for me either.


They're well worth the money just to look good. It's the only reason I got mine, apart from the slipping aspect.

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