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I don't believe this is true #2778495
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This guy claims to have just started taking piano lessons and can play these pieces. All under a year of starting. I say NO WAY. What do you all think? Is it possible?

He's playing Fur Elise at week 3! come on! No way.
Maple Leaf Rag flawlessly at month 6. yeah right.
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watch this video. I don't believe this is possible.

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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778503
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I believe it. It's not as unusual as you might think. You have to take his whole history into account, not just piano playing.

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It is well done.

It looks believable ….

But I don't believe it.


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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778522
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In another year or two tops, he’ll be playing at Carnegie Hall.


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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778523
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Hey it's on the Internet, so it must be real.

Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778529
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It's only the A section of Fur Elise that is played and I could see someone memorizing that quickly. Now why he pops up the word PRO when hammering down on that high E, well, I don't know. I like to play that note gently.


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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778530
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I don't know, listening to the playing he sounds pretty close to my level in his ability to play, make his sound actually musical and play at tempo (i.e. he's really not particularly good, I would peg as early intermediate like myself.) He says he practices 3 hours a day, and is very consistent about it. Extrapolating from my own experience, I've been playing about 2.5 years, however I typically only get about 1 to 1.5 hours a day of practice, and I've had some gaps (a month vacation, missed weekend etc.) I'd put him almost exactly at the same number of hour practiced. And he didn't play anything I didn't (or couldn't, I haven't played all of the songs) at approximately the same "time" in hours. He's also younger than me by quite a bit and probably more dexterous and still has some neurons to develop laugh And, we only hear snippets of some things, mostly the easier parts (like Fur Elise) and I think the Joplin is a simplified version (though not sure.)

Similar to him, I had no prior experience playing piano, though I had a fair amount of musical training in my school years with choral singing. And, though I've never actually studied, I could at least basically read music and knew the keys on the keyboard enough to play a simple tune of one note on one hand.

And edit, meant to say this but forgot, I think he's way to early to be playing Op 66. I think he's setting himself up for a lifetime of playing it poorly. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by squidbot
And edit, meant to say this but forgot, I think he's way to early to be playing Op 66. I think he's setting himself up for a lifetime of playing it poorly. But that's just my opinion.
It may be too early for this piece. but playing it poorly at this stage does not mean he can't play it much better later on.

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It's possible but make no mistake, it's very rapid progress.

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Maple leaf rag certainly was not faultless !

The latest Chopin video no 9 no 1 was actually more impressive than this year progress video.

Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778576
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I noticed that the decor for the piano changes with every piece he plays. Do you think he really moves the piano from room to room? How many rooms?

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Originally Posted by Dreamingstill
I noticed that the decor for the piano changes with every piece he plays. Do you think he really moves the piano from room to room? How many rooms?


The Yamaha upright seems to have been moved once from the room with the woodwork to a room with white walls. OTT, it's different pianos and some of the small stuff in the background gets moved around.


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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: Dreamingstill] #2778580
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Originally Posted by Dreamingstill
I noticed that the decor for the piano changes with every piece he plays. Do you think he really moves the piano from room to room? How many rooms?


You really haven't been paying attention, have you?


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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778593
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This is absolutely real. His opening piece is 'To Zanarkand' from the Final Fantasy video game series written by Nobuo Uematsu. I fell in love with this piece after hearing it when I first started playing piano. I had no idea how to play it and the score was way over my head at the time. Irregardless, I loved this piece and was determined to do whatever it took to learn it.

So I started to play it by learning one or two new bars everyday and then kept replaying the piece up until what I have learned. After a week of doing this, I ended up learning (and memorizing) the piece. I then kept playing it over and over until I could add my own subtle touches to it.

I couldn't play anything else, but I could play the heck out of this one beautiful piece even though I really couldn't sightread or play by ear yet.

So YES, you CAN learn to play a piece beautifully, even if you really don't know how to play just by learning one or two bars a day and then replaying what you've learned over and over until you have the whole piece under your grips. I can't tell you how many times I've done this as this is what true hacks do!

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Who cares whether this guy is for real or not. It’s not healthy to get into a competitive comparison. Just keep plugging away.



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Who cares whether this guy is for real or not. It’s not healthy to get into a competitive comparison. Just keep plugging away.

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Re: I don't believe this is true [Re: ZanderChicago] #2778625
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It's entirely believable, because his playing is terrible. It's another perfect example of why one shouldn't play things way above his level... I say "his" because all the "my piano progress" video I've seen have been males smile

There seems to be this misconception that if you somewhat get the notes right it's done, the piece is learnt. Nevermind the rhythm, the tempo, the dynamics, the music itself cool

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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
This is absolutely real. His opening piece is 'To Zanarkand' from the Final Fantasy video game series written by Nobuo Uematsu. I fell in love with this piece after hearing it when I first started playing piano. I had no idea how to play it and the score was way over my head at the time. Irregardless, I loved this piece and was determined to do whatever it took to learn it.

So I started to play it by learning one or two new bars everyday and then kept replaying the piece up until what I have learned. After a week of doing this, I ended up learning (and memorizing) the piece. I then kept playing it over and over until I could add my own subtle touches to it.

I couldn't play anything else, but I could play the heck out of this one beautiful piece even though I really couldn't sightread or play by ear yet.

So YES, you CAN learn to play a piece beautifully, even if you really don't know how to play just by learning one or two bars a day and then replaying what you've learned over and over until you have the whole piece under your grips. I can't tell you how many times I've done this as this is what true hacks do!


I bet a lot of us started that way compulsively playing our favorite piece far out of reach. There is really no avoiding it as the beginner has to play that one song until the itch is satisfied.


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Can't edit. That question was addressed to the OP. smile I'm sort of thinking that it doesn't matter.

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Its difficult not to compare yourself to others, but you will be happier if you can manage to do it. There will always be people that play better than you.

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Originally Posted by Sam S
Its difficult not to compare yourself to others, but you will be happier if you can manage to do it. There will always be people that play better than you.

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...... and there will always be those that state ‘I wish I could play the piano’, but never take the plunge. That should be our comparison group😊..., those that ‘wish’ rather than ‘do’.


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Originally Posted by ZanderChicago
This guy claims to have just started taking piano lessons and can play these pieces. All under a year of starting. I say NO WAY. What do you all think? Is it possible?



You have heard the one about the Tortoise and the Hare, yes?

Nothing is flawless here. All is rushed and melodic and amateurish tone quality. Expected of course, but overall seems impressive at this distance, admittedly.

At least compare apples to apples if you're going to compare at all. This Hare is focused on playing only and these snippets are from all his practice playing these pieces, I assume by rote and memory. Can he read what he plays? Has he any theory, even the most basic or posture, fingering training? If not, when is he going to learn this other stuff? It's an individual choice if he does at all and no harm in whatever choice is made, so long as it is in keeping with the desired outcome.

When they are doing great at one year, I like to see what they are doing at 5 years, then 10. Things usually start to level out by then, but we're not all out for the same things either. Some are quicker than others and that is just life. It is not a race. Stay your course and be confident in the method you are using.

Tone quality will come from playing experience and the lack of it shows, no matter how quick the progression seems to be.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by squidbot
And edit, meant to say this but forgot, I think he's way to early to be playing Op 66. I think he's setting himself up for a lifetime of playing it poorly. But that's just my opinion.
It may be too early for this piece. but playing it poorly at this stage does not mean he can't play it much better later on.


It's an interesting question and you're probably right, I may have been hyperbolic. I guess you could "unlearn" what you've done, but man it would be hard to do that for a whole piece. In one of the pieces I'm learning now I'm just trying to undo a few months of playing fingering a certain way for one measure and it's really, really difficult to change at this point.

I will say that I'm surprised his teacher supported him learning it. For a couple of months I was playing Chopin's black key etude, but purely as a technical exercise, playing it extremely slowly and only one bar a week. It was my teacher's suggestion (I'm not a huge fan of Hanon type things), but he cautioned me about trying to think of it as something I'd turn in to repertoire. I'll probably revisit it in 10 years or so smile


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What gets me is the rapid learning of piece after piece. I suppose it’s possible but to learn piano AND to read music that quickly he must be quite a prodigy. Good for him. Wish I could learn that quickly.

But what really amazes me is that he has a million and a half views!!! Holy cow! That’s even more than some silly cat videos.


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Originally Posted by Peyton
[...]That’s even more than some silly cat videos.


How silly do cats have to be before they can make videos! smile

Cheers, folks!


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Originally Posted by Peyton
But what really amazes me is that he has a million and a half views!!! Holy cow! That’s even more than some silly cat videos.


When it comes to YouTube videos, sometimes we forget the audience is not very sophisticated. Many of them probably don't play music of any kind. Anybody who can play at an advanced level can attract an audience. We are not talking about viewers who may be music teachers and even ones who teach at an university or a prestigious music school who are looking for good dynamics, phrasing, etc.

A few years ago, I came across a YouTube video with the title "3 year old violinist" presumably from Korea. The video featured a young lady playing "Twinkle Variations" from Suzuki Book 1. In just a year the video had over 3M views. Anybody who knows the Suzuki music program, students are required to learn the Twinkle Variations by ear and perform the pieces in their first recital at the end of the year. Every day you see new comments that numbered in the thousands. Some complemented on her wonderful playing that she is a prodigy while others criticized the parents for pushing the kid into music at such a young age (that she didn't choose to play an instrument on her own sort of thing). And others talked about her "stabbing the instrument". The way students play the Twinkle Var. tend to be rather mechanical repeating each note 4x with different rhythms. A friend of my family got their 2 kids (around age 5) enrolled in the Suzuki piano & violin programs. They had to go through the same repertoire starting with Book 1 Twinkle Var. as the first pieces on the list. Back then the 2 kids did not post their videos online. Some people think a kid at age 3 who can perform even a easy piece without mistakes is a genius.

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The first thing I can pick out on this YouTube video is that the man who learned his pieces for over a year did not "read" music. There is no indication anywhere whether he learned from sheet music and then memorized his pieces or he simply followed YouTube demos on finger sequences and would learn his pieces completely by ear.
His hands seemed relaxed with nice phrasing / hand gestures. Many of us struggled playing the right notes... never mind the phrasing & dynamics.

I know a man who learned by play by watching YouTube demos. For the past 3 years he learned to play just 5 advanced pieces which he would practice for many months. And he put off learning notations as being too difficult and would only get into a piece if he can find video demos... no concern for the technical stuff: tempo, dynamics, Key Signature, Time Signature even don't get into counting beats.

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I rarely post here and this is kind of why.

I know what I am about to say is going to trigger a bunch of you but here it goes.

Many time people on here sound very elitist. Who cares how he progressed, why he plays, if he learned theory, can he read sheet music, did he watch demos, ect..

I feel many new piano players will steer clear from this forum for this reason. Feeling like they will be critised to no end because of how they play.

I for one go by the rule that if we can't offer something constructive to say and offer feedback in a positive way then we shouldn't say anything at all.

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Originally Posted by philipraposo1982

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Many time people on here sound very elitist. Who cares how he progressed, why he plays, if he learned theory, can he read sheet music, did he watch demos, ect..
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Speaking for myself: I'm new here and also beginner and I have to admit that I was tempted to post this link here myself. I was just curious of the opinions (from colleagues with more years under belt as well as teaching experience) and I'm glad someone else posted it. Didn't find replies elitist and tbh I identify with some of the shared opinions.

Originally Posted by philipraposo1982

I feel many new piano players will steer clear from this forum for this reason. Feeling like they will be critised to no end because of how they play.

I for one go by the rule that if we can't offer something constructive to say and offer feedback in a positive way then we shouldn't say anything at all.

Personally I registered to look for criticism as as beginner I don't have much experience to share and help. And I'm glad that people express freely here. There are not many places where piano loving comunity "hang out". Others that I found are either half-dead (pianostreet, though I found some brilliant posts in history) or not very structured with lots of post that I'm not very interested in (/r/piano and lots of questions that are answered in faq).

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Originally Posted by philipraposo1982
I rarely post here and this is kind of why.

I know what I am about to say is going to trigger a bunch of you but here it goes.

Many time people on here sound very elitist. Who cares how he progressed, why he plays, if he learned theory, can he read sheet music, did he watch demos, ect..

I feel many new piano players will steer clear from this forum for this reason. Feeling like they will be critised to no end because of how they play.

I for one go by the rule that if we can't offer something constructive to say and offer feedback in a positive way then we shouldn't say anything at all.


This was not posted by the pianist asking for feedback, but by someone whoo just found the YouTube. Videos. This is a Different situation than a forum member asking for help and feedback. If you look at the general feedback from the ABF recitals, the comments are supportive regardless of the level and the quality.

This was different, and many of the comments were based on the thought of
‘He really did this???? I didn’t’. Is he real? How good is he REALLY

IMHO, a waste of time to compare ourselves to others.... just human nature.... but not cruel to question a meteoric progression.

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