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Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me #2778327
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Hi everyone! 👋
I'm working on a research project about piano teachers and I would really appreciate if you can fill out this 1 minute survey (and share with other people that could help). In appreciation for helping, one of the participants will win an 💲Amazon gift card.💲
The survey is here:
https://goo.gl/forms/vqrk3K1SjgWt70Ra2

Thank you!

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Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778334
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Originally Posted by yairspolter
Hi everyone! 👋
I'm working on a research project about piano teachers and I would really appreciate if you can fill out this 1 minute survey (and share with other people that could help). In appreciation for helping, one of the participants will win an 💲Amazon gift card.💲
The survey is here:
https://goo.gl/forms/vqrk3K1SjgWt70Ra2

Thank you!


Kindly answer how a bunch of people guessing at the number of piano teachers helps with your research project. How will this data be used?

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778417
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The questionnaire almost looks like a job interview question given to engineers at some tech companies. It tests the candidate for their instinct to understand the scale of the problems encountered with incomplete data. The final answer itself isn't always that important, but the process is critical, because as more information is given, the answer becomes more accurate.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2778419
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Originally Posted by Ken Iisaka
The questionnaire almost looks like a job interview question given to engineers at some tech companies. It tests the candidate for their instinct to understand the scale of the problems encountered with incomplete data. The final answer itself isn't always that important, but the process is critical, because as more information is given, the answer becomes more accurate.

I think you are giving the OP way too much credit.


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Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778446
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Hmm... as a former psychology professor, I'm guessing that the OP is replicating research on scale anchor effects. That is, I'd wager that some respondents are seeing choices that range from <25,000 to >500,000 (what I see when I click on the link), and others are seeing a response scale with different anchors (<100,000 to >2 million, say).

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: Monica K.] #2778455
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Originally Posted by Monica K.
Hmm... as a former psychology professor, I'm guessing that the OP is replicating research on scale anchor effects. That is, I'd wager that some respondents are seeing choices that range from <25,000 to >500,000 (what I see when I click on the link), and others are seeing a response scale with different anchors (<100,000 to >2 million, say).




Maybe..., but all of our responses will be a complete guess as we have no verified baseline data available. In addition, the OP states he will throw out the outlier responses to the survey (see his other thread)


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Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778465
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To me, this looks like the OP's request to do all his work for him...

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778508
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Why is it that most of the responses here are filled with suspicion? Why can’t you people, for once, actually contribute positively to a request rather than engage in pointless drivel? I offer up the ‘Teacher Cancellations” thread as an example of the typical standard displayed.

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Thank you. I honestly am just asking for some assistance with an assignment. I appreciate your trust.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778569
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I've seen some strange questions by students coming into the forum of my own profession, and I'm thinking that some professors are just too much in their own academic worlds to think practically. So their students are stuck with these odd questions. I suppose this is more of the same.

I looked up the population of the United States. I figured out that if an average number of students was 30, and if I multiplied the highest number of teachers given in the choices, what kind of numbers would I get? It was still only a fraction of the population of the US so I figured that might be a plausible answer. In actual fact, it can't be known. People can teach music without registering the fact anywhere, so it stays undocumented and untraceable.

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The answer is too many. There are too many piano teachers.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: Candywoman] #2778661
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Originally Posted by Candywoman
The answer is too many. There are too many piano teachers.


Yes, too many. And not enough good ones.


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Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: keystring] #2778669
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Originally Posted by keystring
I've seen some strange questions by students coming into the forum of my own profession, and I'm thinking that some professors are just too much in their own academic worlds to think practically. So their students are stuck with these odd questions. I suppose this is more of the same.

I looked up the population of the United States. I figured out that if an average number of students was 30, and if I multiplied the highest number of teachers given in the choices, what kind of numbers would I get? It was still only a fraction of the population of the US so I figured that might be a plausible answer. In actual fact, it can't be known. People can teach music without registering the fact anywhere, so it stays undocumented and untraceable.
I spent six weeks one summer on scholarship between third and fourth year high school in intensive study of conceptual mathematics. (4 hours classes 8 hours homework in resisdence under monitor, six days a week in the US paid for by the govenment - Cold war and all, ya know) The knowledge I gained in allows me to understand how randomized data collection can produce accurate answers. I can show you how to converge on the the value of pi by repeatedly and randomly dropping a toothpick on the floor. If you understand the math, which is trivial, arriving at the answer is also trivial.

Again, I ask, why not just answer the original question? The answer can be known.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: yairspolter] #2778674
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I randomly pick a cell phone SIM ICCID or IMSI (these are like serial numbers for the cell phone, but have no personal identifying characteristics), without knowing the cell phone number or numbers to which it calls or anything about the person using it. I decide to monitor its pinging of cell phone towers for two weeks, which gives me the location of the cell phone relative to cell towers at all times, but no geographic Lat/Long data, since that is private and encoded. I then have my computer overlay the unique pattern of ping location dots on a map of the world until it finds a matching pattern of cell phone towers. The result is - I know where you live and where you go to work every day, so by searching public records I know who you are and the company for which you work. I know where you shop, and eventually what kind of food you like, clothes you wear, and so on. The more pings I collect the more intimate my knowledge will be of you, and I gained all this knowledge without every compromising your privacy.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: prout] #2778695
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Originally Posted by prout
Why is it that most of the responses here are filled with suspicion? Why can’t you people, for once, actually contribute positively to a request rather than engage in pointless drivel? I offer up the ‘Teacher Cancellations” thread as an example of the typical standard displayed.


This is because we, as teachers, have been burned too many times and have seen it all before. OPs such as this one and the one in the "Teacher Cancellations" threads raise a lot of red flags that many of us recognize as indicating a lack of sincerity.

I used to be heavily involved in musicology research (specifically in traditional American fiddle styles). I've washed my hands of that, partially because of trouble caused by "researchers" working for private "institutions." Forget that.

I would want to see some academic qualifications before assisting anyone with research. Specifically, I insist on the following information before "helping" any "researcher":

  • Current university affiliation
  • Publication history with links to freely accessible PDFs
  • Link to freely accessible PDF of doctoral dissertation
  • If researcher is a graduate student, then I want the above information of their advisor and confirmation from said advisor


Legitimate academic researchers have no problem providing the above.


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Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2778702
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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
Originally Posted by prout
Why is it that most of the responses here are filled with suspicion? Why can’t you people, for once, actually contribute positively to a request rather than engage in pointless drivel? I offer up the ‘Teacher Cancellations” thread as an example of the typical standard displayed.


This is because we, as teachers, have been burned too many times and have seen it all before. OPs such as this one and the one in the "Teacher Cancellations" threads raise a lot of red flags that many of us recognize as indicating a lack of sincerity.

I used to be heavily involved in musicology research (specifically in traditional American fiddle styles). I've washed my hands of that, partially because of trouble caused by "researchers" working for private "institutions." Forget that.

I would want to see some academic qualifications before assisting anyone with research. Specifically, I insist on the following information before "helping" any "researcher":

  • Current university affiliation
  • Publication history with links to freely accessible PDFs
  • Link to freely accessible PDF of doctoral dissertation
  • If researcher is a graduate student, then I want the above information of their advisor and confirmation from said advisor


Legitimate academic researchers have no problem providing the above.
A reasonable expectation. I agree.

On the other hand, the original question was asking for vectors to data sources. I don’t see I could get burned by the answer I gave to the original question.

I also expect, but rarely see provided by posters on PW forums, any published evidence to back up their opinions or claims. I either disregard their opinions or tell them I find their contribution worthless, which gets me into a lot of trouble. I don’t care, because I joined PW in hopes of having enlightened arguments on technique and interpretation of keyboard music. Sadly, I find little of that.

Thank you for providing a considered and verifiable opinion on the matter. It is truly appreciated.

Re: Please answer a quick question about piano teachers for me [Re: prout] #2778719
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Originally Posted by prout

...I joined PW in hopes of having enlightened arguments on technique and interpretation of keyboard music. Sadly, I find little of that.


"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

Probably best not to try in an open forum. We would probably need a private forum where the members were vetted on their qualifications and abilities... but that would be a whole other can of worms.


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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
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...I joined PW in hopes of having enlightened arguments on technique and interpretation of keyboard music. Sadly, I find little of that.


I have searched the Internet a little for discussion groups on technique. There's a FB group called Piano Technique Discussion. Maybe try there?


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Originally Posted by hello my name is
Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
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...I joined PW in hopes of having enlightened arguments on technique and interpretation of keyboard music. Sadly, I find little of that.


I have searched the Internet a little for discussion groups on technique. There's a FB group called Piano Technique Discussion. Maybe try there?
Thanks. I didn’t know about it.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
I used to be heavily involved in musicology research (specifically in traditional American fiddle styles). I've washed my hands of that, partially because of trouble caused by "researchers" working for private "institutions." Forget that.

After grad school, I swore I was never going back to get another advanced degree.

The question posed by the OP reminded me how stupid and irrelevant college courses can be.


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