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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: jazztpt] #2777712
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Jazztpt - A very cool and jazzy tune - love the EP sound, perfect!


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Ed - yup, you nailed the intro on this one. I am very familiar with this song but I must admit the bridge sounded new to me. Like many songs of this era the tempo can be anywhere from slow torch song to upbeat swinger. I like your take on this.


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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: Pianist685] #2777716
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Riddler - nice, jazzy take on this old standard - enjoyed that a lot - I still have on one of my many CDs of her's a wonderful, extended version of this song by the incomparable Ella Fitzgerald that runs to almost 5 minutes long and includes most, if not all, of the "saucey" lyrics you refer to...what a listen!


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Jazztpt – The Causeway Your old notebooks are still working? Lucky you. The soft e piano sound suits the melody very well. I find this piece more difficult to understand than "Island" but I am not a Jazz expert. I had the impression it could be good functional music as a background of a cocktail garden party or the like. Please excuse this sacrilege…

Ed - Bewitched Another song I did no know yet. Your intro is cool, indeed. Those time changes to 3/4 are intriguing. I have had a look at the lyric. Haha, I never thought things like that were written in the Jazz Age.

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My contribution. All iOS instruments and recording.

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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: Pianist685] #2777826
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IosPlayer - Wow, you just blew my mind, not what I expected at all but none the less fantastic, amazing conception sustained throughout. I had to listen twice, phew.

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Jazzpt, thank you so much for your very kind words. I just listened to some of your stretches on BOX and now I understand why you were so taken with what I do. We share a lot of the same sensibilities about jazz, including a very strong focus on melody. You have a very expressive right hand and a great note to note feeling Your playing is very spare and you make every note count.
The left hand chords are subtle, sometimes just slightly off, with a good integration of broken and block formations. A real intuitive sense comes across. And much more. All these things I value in my own playing and strive ( in a zen like way) to be true to, evoke, embrace, channel, get out of the way of, and express the [censored] out of a tune. I hear all of that in your playing as well. That is why my music reached you so hard, I believe.

I liked Causeway, but I don't know if forum members know how deep you really go. I hope you will not be offended if I post a tune I heard you do that I thought was exquisite. I hope members will take the time to listen closely!

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I believe there are a couple of things I might share with you that would be of great value in your continuing exploration that I learned from them, but this is not the proper place for such a discussion. Please pm me if you are at all curious. Best, Mike


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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: Pianist685] #2777920
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Some great listening this month, fans! Thanks ever so much for these submissions.

Pianist685 -- A beautifully sleek rendition of this well deserved Standard -- just excellent voicing and phrasing throughout. In the second portion of each go-around, you added a chord change, really an entire phrase, that I don't have in the arrangement I possess (and it was published in 1954) -- was that something you ghosted in yourself? It works quite well, IMO -- makes it more interesting. I myself wrote an arrangement of this song for Viola and Piano, completely different from the published arrangement -- far more intimate, far less rhapsodic in tone -- but this was really artfully rendered.

jazztpt -- I always look forward to your contributions, and certainly there's nothing to disappoint this month (or ever has been, for that matter). I was very much taken by the songful character of "Island" -- it just cries out for a very tender, sensitive lyric, sung by a female chanteuse. And with "Causeway", I confess to being a real sucker for a Jazz waltz -- there's just something especially beguiling in the gently swinging lilt. I agree that electric piano was the way to go with this piece -- I could imagine it as intro music for some movie scene with the characters riding in a car across the countryside, setting the tone for the story to commence.

Handyman -- For some reason I always thought that "I'll Be Seeing You" was written by Kurt Weill for one of his musicals -- it always had kind of a world-weary European feel for me. Your rendition, in its straightforward "music box" setting, does capture the poignancy and sadness of the lyric very effectively -- never getting overly dramatic or maudlin in its statement. I would like to hear the "high note", though, in the second go-around -- I think that's a dramatic touch that greatly enhances the piece (OK, assuming the singer can hit it!).

BillM -- Thoroughly successful treatment of a venerable old Standard -- the scat voices are very amusing and totally effective. As a general rule, I prefer acoustic piano, but this was certainly a well chosen point of difference.

Riddler -- This rendition of the Rodgers and Hart Classic sort of brought me back to the 1930s or early 40s, when songs of this nature were performed up-tempo and with almost a danceable quality to them -- it was, after all, from Broadway shows. This particular song was quickly snapped up into the Jazz world, and its bittersweet lyric was a perfect foil for intimate Jazz arrangements.
Hmmm -- I was planning to provide a couple of the Nelson Riddle/Linda Ronstadt arrangements in the near future -- maybe I'll include their cover of "Bewitched", just as a basis of comparison.

Ios Player -- A most interesting approach to that great Standard "My One and Only Love". Rather than just presenting the song from beginning to end, you seem to take the time to consider the melodic implications of a four measure segment or thereabouts, recycling the segments in varying ways with jazz-infused chording and linear lines. I confess that I wasn't nuts about the organ-like background wash -- here's a case where I would've preferred the same approach done with acoustic piano.

The month is still early -- let's hope for a few more contributors!

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Pianist685, in answer to your comments --

Maxwell Janis was actually an amateur composer, so far as I understand -- he does have a YouTube site, but as I mentioned before, he hasn't posted anything here in PW for several years now, and so I suspect he's "moved on" from composition. Most of his piano music is prodigiously difficult, but some of his pieces I have found worth the effort to learn.

My renditions of Jazz transcriptions are definitely not sight-reading -- they're all stuff I worked on in detail many years ago (from 15 all the way to 40). Typically I do rehearse them once or twice before recording them, but they're now "in my fingers" sufficiently to provide a reasonably fluent reading without any undue fuss. And I do not approach Jazz transcriptions the same way I approach Classical compositions -- every "take" is somewhat different, and often departs from the directives on the score.

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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: Pianist685] #2777968
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I would like to hear your playing, Tim.


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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: Tim Adrianson] #2777969
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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
Pianist685 [...] In the second portion of each go-around, you added a chord change, really an entire phrase, that I don't have in the arrangement I possess (and it was published in 1954) -- was that something you ghosted in yourself? It works quite well, IMO -- makes it more interesting.
My rendition was not intended to refer to Nat Cole's version from the 1950s but rather to Chaplin's original composition from 1936 which I heard several times on the radio and there the second portion of each go-around is exactly the way I am playing it, however, Nat Cole "simplified" the piece and omitted this chord change.

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Hi Tim, thanks for listening and your comments. I am not sure what you mean about four measures repeating. Perhaps you might explain a bit more.

As far as acoustic vs. digital rendering, I listened to your recordings, and while your playing is fine and the transcriptions beautiful I, respectfully, prefer the clarity and presence of a digital recording of quality software to a somewhat muddy and distant representation of an acoustic as I heard here. Having the best mics, great acoustic environment, and skillful knowledge of mic placement and recording techniques are a lot to ask of people who are primarily musicians, such as we are
( at least me. Perhaps you have and are all of the above). I have some experience with acoustics and recording them ( 5 released CDs on New Artists Records) both in a studio and at home and I love a well recorded, high quality grand, but I am also totally open to the pros of digital and a bit forgiving of the cons, just as you are doing with your acoustic recordings.

You accept the downside of limited production values for the sake of hearing a "live" instrument. I accept less as well for clarity and presence as mentioned above. I appreciate that you are expressing your personal preferences and not making a global statement and I respect that perspective. I just would like to express my perception of today's options and potentialities.

I support digital in the hope that it will continue to improve and perhaps, one day, satisfy even the most demanding listener. And the reason is that it is more democratic in its affordability and accessibility to those without superior instruments or availability of first class recording facilities.
When I restored my B in 1988 there were no other options to approach its quality and performance. Now there are possibilities for talented individuals who could not afford to participate to come closer and closer to that ideal. Thanks again for your thoughts.


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Re: November Piano Bar [Re: BillM] #2777994
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Originally Posted by BillM
I thought I’d dust off my Digital Grand for this month’s Piano Bar submission, All of Me. You will have to excuse my use of the Jazz Scat voice in the instrumental break but I thought it was a good idea at the time.



Bill - enjoyed your take on this fine old standard from the GAS - I've heard many versions of this over the years, but my favorite was on an early 50s album of Frank Sinatra (there's a surprise, huh?) - not sure though that I'd want to hear the Scat voice on your digital too often - you play far too well to distract from your excellent accompaniment style...


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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson

Handyman -- For some reason I always thought that "I'll Be Seeing You" was written by Kurt Weill for one of his musicals -- it always had kind of a world-weary European feel for me. Your rendition, in its straightforward "music box" setting, does capture the poignancy and sadness of the lyric very effectively -- never getting overly dramatic or maudlin in its statement. I would like to hear the "high note", though, in the second go-around -- I think that's a dramatic touch that greatly enhances the piece (OK, assuming the singer can hit it!).



Tim - sorry that this lovely, longing, heart-touching song "had kind of a world-weary European feel" for you - hopefully you can now, knowing something of it's history and importance to so many at the time, see it in a new light...

That "high note" is there at the end, although it's somewhat subdued and slightly delayed by my up-octave repeat of the phrase "...but I'll be seeing..." , which is the same "device" I used in the intro...thought I'd repeat this at the finish - not sure why I did this, but as they say, it sounded good at the time.


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There is so much beautiful music this month, as usual. Handyman, I so agree with you. One of my favorite top five also. Especially when you include the lyrics. I enjoy the Piano Bar you guys do each month. Thank you!


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Hi guys. Here's my submission for the month. My own rendition of this land is your land



I am currently uploading all of my written piano sheets onto my blog to make things easier. I also have written out a few more sheets. All free check it out if you want smile Any questions, PM me

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Hi, IosPlayer -- I listened to your cover of "My One and Only Love" a second time, and would have to re-assess my opinion somewhat regarding my proposed "four-measure recycling" concept. I now hear something far closer to the typical Jazz treatment of an American Songbook Standard -- it's just that the Song itself, deliciously hidden in the "organ" accompaniment, moves very slowly against the Jazz lines above it; it doesn't conclude until 2:35 or so, and then is reprised with a typical Jazz improvisation only once before concluding.

As far as recording is concerned, I simply am a complete novice in that regard. I do agree with you that the TASCAM400 at 256 MP3 setting results in an overall sound quality inferior to its WAV setting, which I had previously used -- but it is a compromise that I elected to do because the e-Citals here on Piano World require MP3, and it's just more convenient for me to do that.

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Thanks, Tim, for taking the time to respond. MP3 hmmm. I would be curious to hear the WAV recording as compared to the MP3. Any chance you might be able to post those? I always use WAV on my SoundCloud postings. Didn't realize an MP3 was so different. Thanks!


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Hi, Handyman! Well, don't be sorry -- I actually didn't mean the "world-weary European" comment to be disparaging in any way; I consider it to be a legitimate mindset, thoroughly honest and vulnerable in its sentiment. Another song that I would have sworn was written during WW II -- but actually wasn't -- was "For All We Know", which was actually written in the early 30s. Both of the songs have such a strong, poignant lyric, with a melodic line to support it so achingly.

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
I do agree with you that the TASCAM400 at 256 MP3 setting results in an overall sound quality inferior to its WAV setting, which I had previously used -- but it is a compromise that I elected to do because the e-Citals here on Piano World require MP3, and it's just more convenient for me to do that.
Tim, I find the quality of your recordings quite good and the acoustic Kawai grand you own is a fine instrument. Well, one could improve the sound a bit with the equalizer and reverb functions in Audacity, but what counts most is the skills of the pianist and there you are top-class.

Never upload wav files, they are far too big and the difference between an mp3 and a wav file can only be heard with high-end equipment. 256 kbit/s is already quite much, I would suggest to record 128 kbit/s like me and cut the file size by half.

Recording acoustics and digitals in general... In some of the recitals I felt sorry for some participants who spent a fortune on their very expensive acoustic instruments but their recordings sounded much inferior to some guys' uploads who just bought a cheap digital keyboard/software solution like VPC1 and Garritan CFX. You know I own an acoustic as well but for recording purposes I almost exclusively use the built-in silent system as a VP controller for the software on my notebook, so I kind of got a Steinway D for just 130 EUR.

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