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Hi,

I am curious to try out the Fatar TP/100LR action - it is in the upcoming StudioLogic SL73 studio piano that I am considering for a travel piano. I would like to try it out to see how it feels.

Are there any keyboards with this action that are available in GuitarCenter or other such shops - where I can try it out. I did not see StudioLogic SL88 Studio in the local guitarcenter yesterday.

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Arturia Keylab 88 utilize Fatar TP/100LR action.
I'm still not sure whether Fatar TP/100LR action is also utilize in Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.

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Dexibell P3, P7, S3, H1 and H3 have TP100LR actions I think.

Studiologic SL88 Studio and Numa Stage have the same action.

I believe Korg Havian has TP100LR too. There's also one or two Kurzweils, whose model numbers elude me at the moment (check their website because they are usually quite explicit about which action is in which model).


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Thanks hag01 and EssBrace. Unfortunately I cannot find any of these products in local stores. Any ideas where I can find one of these products to try out in person?

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Nord Electro 4 and Kurzweil Artis as well, as per this list: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/ele...-thread-models-manufacturers-listed.html

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Originally Posted by Osho
Thanks hag01 and EssBrace. Unfortunately I cannot find any of these products in local stores. Any ideas where I can find one of these products to try out in person?

Thanks,
Osho


Kurzweil also uses Fatar keybeds... maybe they hve an Artis which should have the prementioned keybed

This is a complete list of all keybeds... in synths and Dp’s

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/ele...-thread-models-manufacturers-listed.html

Re: Pianos with Fatar TP/100LR action [Re: Osho] #2732873
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Not all Fatar TP100 boards feel the same. The 3-sensor models I've played have felt better than the 2-sensor versions, for reasons not obviously connected to the presence of the thid sensor, making me think they made other changes. Or it could be coindidence, that the better feelng ones I played happened to also be 3-sensor models.

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I just tried fatar TP/100LR , and I liked it very much. Much more better for me than e.g. Yamaha GHS. The only problem, studiologic SL88 or SL73 has no internal sounds. If you consider it a travel piano, what about hte sounds? Do you carry a laptop, powersuply etc. with you as well? Portable means, only 1 thing, as small as can be. At least to me...

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Originally Posted by crock
I just tried fatar TP/100LR , and I liked it very much. Much more better for me than e.g. Yamaha GHS. The only problem, studiologic SL88 or SL73 has no internal sounds. If you consider it a travel piano, what about hte sounds? Do you carry a laptop, powersuply etc. with you as well? Portable means, only 1 thing, as small as can be. At least to me...

You can hook it up to an iPad/iPhone.

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"You can hook it up to an iPad/iPhone."


What about the polyphone? What about the layers? What about the MOTIF sounds?
For me the non plus ultra would be SL73 Studio with motif sounds. Is it available with an iPAD? Please let me know. Thx!

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another question re. the studiologic controller - - if the specified 250 programs for the SL73 aren't internal sounds, what are they ? possess virtually zero familiarity with software manipulation myself, so the keyboards with built ins that include historic and non western temperaments (tunings), and the best acoustic piano sounds are closer to the top of my considerations ; intellectually of course the potential access via a separate component to many instruments and tunings via fully weighted keys is tempting, but it's probably beyond my retraining, and counter to my inclination against diverting time better spent practicing.

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Originally Posted by crock
"You can hook it up to an iPad/iPhone."

What about the polyphone? !

You mean polyphony? That depends on which app you are running, and which model iPad/iPhone you use.

Originally Posted by crock
What about the layers?
\Sure, you can do layers. Again, it's a matter of the apps you choose.

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What about the MOTIF sounds?

You can't get an actual Motif sound set except out of some kind of Motif (or variant like Montage, MOXF, MX etc.), but Yamaha does offer sounds in some of their apps (and also in Cubasis, which is from Steinberg, owned by Yamaha), so there may be some Motif-like sounds to be had. If you don't need Yamaha in particular, Roland has a Sound Canvas app with a bunch of classic Roland sounds, Korg has an app version of the M1 synth (among others), and Korg Module which has a more modern Korg sound set, and there are other sound source apps, like SampleTank, Thumbjam, Bismark bs-16i as well as specific apps just for, for example, piano sounds, EP sounds, organs, strings, etc. The number of apps you can run simultaneously depends on your i-device and which apps you choose.

Alternatively, you could get a Motif set from a small-ish, light, inexpensive MX49 and drive that from your 88. Motiif Rack XS could be another possibility.

Originally Posted by huaidongxi
another question re. the studiologic controller - - if the specified 250 programs for the SL73 aren't internal sounds, what are they ?
On a controller, user programs can be anything other than the sounds. Zone information, controller assignments, what MIDI Program Changes to send to the attached sound source (thereby still controlling your sound selection, even though the sounds are not in the keyboard itself), etc.

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The MOTIF is not necessary best voiced board. It is popular as a whole package with the thousands of multiple arps and pretty even set of sounds but none of them are really top of any category.
If they make app that will have both the sounds and arps then there will be very little reason to buy any of the motif or moxf. They are not particularly great and have confused UI and still require memory expansion boards... not to mention Montage is one expensive beast. An iPad has more power to run all the Motif and then some, but that is also the reason it wont happen. A good MOTIF app would essentially be better and easier (and 100x cheaper) than MOTIF. Yamaha is not that company to make such a bold move.


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You can use a Micro-Schrott Surface 4 with Asio4all and e.g. Pianoteq 6.1.1.

Sounds great is hardly latency free I'd compact and runs like still.

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Originally Posted by Galuwen
Sounds great is hardly latency free I'd compact and runs like still.


A ringing endorsement - put that line on the poster. wink

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:)))

Good one, KJ! Couldn't help but noticing it either - hardly latency free, runs like still :))
I assume it's google-translated, maybe it should've been virtually latency free and works spot on (there's an expression in my language that would be adapted to "works spot on" but I could see google translating it as "runs like still").

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Yeah, a MS Surface opens up a whole bunch of other high quality sounds, piano and otherwise.

My suggestion of iPad/iPhone was as an alternative to his comment, "Do you carry a laptop, powersuply etc. with you as well?" plus he was asking for a solution that was "as small as can be," (and also asking about a Motif-like sound selection, as opposed to, say, "best available piano sounds" as we usually discuss here). But sure, a Windows-based tablet could possibly fill the bill, too, more conveniently than a laptop.

For portability, the iPhone is nice... not just tiny, but if you have one, you're presumably carrying it with you anyway (plus of course your incremental cost increase is minimal). If you don't already have something, an iPod Touch is pretty cheap, though I'd prefer going up to the iPad Mini, which I think is still small enough to permanently velcro to the SL73/SL88 panel surface if desired. The iPads are better than the iPhone/Touch in terms of giving you bigger and better control surfaces, and access to some apps that don't run on the smaller screens. For Windows tablets, I think you have to stick with the 10"+. There are some small Windows tablets, but my brief experience with them was problematic. Unlike an iPad Mini, Windows apps on a 7" screen or whatever are often awkward to use as they were clearly designed for bigger screens. Even 10" can feel small. And when playing a keyboard, I think you really don't want to have to deal with a stylus.

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Too late to edit... also wanted to add... Win tablets seem to have a bit of a mixed track record for music use... probably best to stick with a Surface, if your'e going to go that way. Or something else you have confirmed people have had good luck with.

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If you have an iOS device then you could also try these free and open-source apps:
https://audiokitpro.com/fmplayer/
https://audiokitpro.com/synth/ (to be officially released through the App Store later this month)

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I know motif sounds are not the best, but i like them, especially arps. On youtube i havent found any arps made by iPad, only single voices (piano, organ, etc).
What i read is that, polyhony is an issue on ipad if you use split + layers + stereo samples etc.

Dexibel vivo p3/p7 uses this tp/100lr as well, but it's very expensive here.

I cannot decide between junping into studiologic sl73 + ipad, or still waiting... frown

Roland (and Korg as well) put their pitch band wheels on the left side of the keyboars, for me it's too long. Yamaha put them on the top, i prefer that position.

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Originally Posted by crock
On youtube i havent found any arps made by iPad, only single voices (piano, organ, etc).

There are numerous videos for Yamaha's Synth, Arp & Drum Pad app.

Originally Posted by crock
What i read is that, polyhony is an issue on ipad if you use split + layers + stereo samples etc.

At some point, polyphony can be an issue on pretty much anything if you use enough split + layers + stereo samples etc. ;-)

On an iPad, polyphony will be more of an issue with some apps than others, and it will be more of an issue on a slower iPad than a faster one. Another variable is how much memory (not storage) is in the iPad, which especially affects how many different apps you can run simultaneously. You have to search that info out, as Apple does not publish it, but you can find it online. Some models have 1 GB RAM, some have 2, some have 4.

But maybe what you really want is just to buy an MX88 (or MOXF8)?

Originally Posted by crock
IDexibel vivo p3/p7 uses this tp/100lr as well, but it's very expensive here.

I think that was suggested for the OP, who was looking for other keyboards to try that would give him a sense of what the SL88 would feel like.

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anotherscott, thank you for the very useful details re. applications via ipad.

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Originally Posted by crock
I just tried fatar TP/100LR , and I liked it very much. Much more better for me than e.g. Yamaha GHS. The only problem, studiologic SL88 or SL73 has no internal sounds. If you consider it a travel piano, what about hte sounds? Do you carry a laptop, powersuply etc. with you as well? Portable means, only 1 thing, as small as can be. At least to me...

I am looking forward to SL73 being available. I always travel with a laptop (business or otherwise) - so this will be perfect. Too bad, SL73 is still nowhere to be be found in USA.

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I tired again SL88 and compared it with Roland juno ds88 , some Nords and Yamahas, and still studiologics has the best keybed to me. I thought a lot about ipad and other sound source, but unfortunatelly this set up is a no go to me.

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I am interested in getting a Studiologic SL88 Studio which has a Fatar TP/100LR Keyboard, does anyone know if the keys feels like plastic with no grip? or perhaps they like as in with some other brands like Casio and Roland which have with ivory feel?

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Originally Posted by Osho
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I just tried fatar TP/100LR , and I liked it very much. Much more better for me than e.g. Yamaha GHS. The only problem, studiologic SL88 or SL73 has no internal sounds. If you consider it a travel piano, what about hte sounds? Do you carry a laptop, powersuply etc. with you as well? Portable means, only 1 thing, as small as can be. At least to me...

I am looking forward to SL73 being available. I always travel with a laptop (business or otherwise) - so this will be perfect. Too bad, SL73 is still nowhere to be be found in USA.

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Originally Posted by norbo
I am interested in getting a Studiologic SL88 Studio which has a Fatar TP/100LR Keyboard, does anyone know if the keys feels like plastic with no grip? or perhaps they like as in with some other brands like Casio and Roland which have with ivory feel?

I briefly owned the SL73 which has the same key action as the SL88 Studio. They are plastic and shiny and thus have no ivory feel to them. I did not have an issue losing grip on them though, but saying that I live in cold climate country and sweating is the least of my concerns. Unless you sweat at the fingers I struggle to see that being the main concern...more important than the sweat/grip is the action. It’s not light at all and if you are a) not willing to go through a learning curve or b) dislike heavy actions I’d say the TP100 is not going to be your cup of tea.

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On the question of ivory-feel keys vs. smooth ones: I am an experienced, formerly professional pianist; I play a Casio PX-5S with textured keys and a Korg G1 Air with smooth. I also adore the Korg action.

I find I prefer the Korg keys because they feel like most acoustic pianos I play, which are not ancient (i.e., with real ivory keys). I used to own a Studiologic Numa (with Fatar board and textured keys, I seem to recall) which was a good value and very portable but too quirky for me.

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As an amateur pianist I usually manage to adjust to the texture of keys usually pretty quickly...then again I am quirky like that. 😎


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