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What IS this Bechstein? #2774205
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Sorry if this has all been covered before - but what is this Bechstein?

Ugly fall-board lettering for sure, but is it a standard 'C' Bechstein model A (189cm) - or is it an early attempt at their Academy range, and therefore not (strictly) a 'C' Bechstein, if you see what I mean?

https://goo.gl/images/Pj3zBS

Any clarification appreciated smile




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Re: What IS this Bechstein? [Re: precise] #2774214
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That lettering just screams 1974!

I've seen this before, and I believe it was an attempt to modernise during the decade that taste forgot. These variations on the Eurostile font were all the rage at the time.

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[Linked Image]

As far as I know, removing the C to denote a lesser piano was a very recent thing, that they've now stopped.

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Following a chat with a fellow forum member, I have to say I can't say for sure if the missing C is significant. I believe there were plain Bechstein concert grands in the past.

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Re: What IS this Bechstein? [Re: precise] #2774285
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The 189 preceded the bifurcation of the product lines. I haven’t seen a font like that since a 1980s Estonia...


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Re: What IS this Bechstein? [Re: terminaldegree] #2774292
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
That lettering just screams 1974!

the decade that taste forgot.
Hahahaha! smile smile

Originally Posted by terminaldegree
I haven’t seen a font like that since a 1980s Estonia...
That's what immediately sprung to my mind, too.

Bizarrely, the one I saw advertised was dated 1996! God only knows what was going on in the font choosing department.

Trawled through some past posts here - some said it was an 'Academy'-type piano - others said not. No certainty, though.

Hum...

Who is the resident Bechstein expert?
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Can you get the serial number? You should then be able to get the year and model

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It clearly says in the ad that the piano was built in 1997 and is a Modell A
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Can you get the serial number? You should then be able to get the year and model
Alas, can't see the serial number...


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It clearly says in the ad that the piano was built in 1997 and is a Modell A
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It does - but a search for Bechstein Model A spews out loads of vintage models from pre WWI and WWII. Bechstein doesn't make a simple 'model A', like, say, S&S does. They keep changing the damn model names - talk about inconsistent.




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I gave you the answer already.


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Re: What IS this Bechstein? [Re: precise] #2774368
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I was the North American distributor at the time, and that logo was only put on the "Studio" series of pianos which later became the Academy series. At the time, Bechstein had just taken over Feurich and its brands (W. Hoffmann, Euterpe etc.). The model 189 (model A) was essentially a Feurich 190 that was made in the Seifhennersdorf Bechstein factory (formely Zimmerman factory in East Germany). These were lovely pianos, and well crafted of premium materials, 100% German (unlike today).

If you give me the serial number, I can tell you when it was produced.

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Re: What IS this Bechstein? [Re: master88er] #2774387
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
I gave you the answer already.
- oops, so you did smile I got carried away by the ugliness of the logo

Originally Posted by master88er
The model 189 (model A) was essentially a Feurich 190 that was made in the Seifhennersdorf Bechstein factory (formely Zimmerman factory in East Germany). These were lovely pianos, and well crafted of premium materials, 100% German (unlike today).
That's great info - thanks! So, in theory, one from 1996 could still be a nice piano to consider?

Shame about that ugly lettering, though frown




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That is 22 years young, if not abused it will be a great piano. Imo ugly lettering is not a good reason to not purchase a piano you love.


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Originally Posted by precise
Sorry if this has all been covered before - but what is this Bechstein?

Ugly fall-board lettering for sure, but is it a standard 'C' Bechstein model A (189cm) - or is it an early attempt at their Academy range, and therefore not (strictly) a 'C' Bechstein, if you see what I mean?

https://goo.gl/images/Pj3zBS

Any clarification appreciated smile





The link is in German. The english translation is:

Beckstein = Used Grand piano
Model A
Year Built: 1997
Euro 19,900
Renner Action and hammer tops
It was delivered by Beckstein in 1997
5 year warranty included

It includes one tuning before delivery and one tuning after delivery, and delivery if in the Rhein area not far from Koblenz

I think the lettering is beautiful. At least it doesn't look like a cheap decal. It also looks like it has a nice veneer on the inside.


Hope this helps. Steve

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Bechstein pianos without C. (C. Bechstein = Carl Bechstein) are pianos of a one-step-lower range, often named "Bechstein Academy".

Second-step-lower would be Hoffmann, produced in Czechoslovakia.

But I am no Bechstein specialist, so please don't ask me what the differences in detail are.

I would recommend - for a potential buy of such a grand - to ask those questions to the marketing department in Berlin, Stilwerk, led by Mrs Beatrice Küpper, who is also wife of Bechstein owner Karl Schulze. She can tell for sure.


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I'm not sure about what end it is considered but the fact the beautiful interior veneers as shown in the picture is worth something. Those may have been an option when the piano was built. Many grand pianos are simply black around the inner casing. The veneers can add to the texture of the music.

You can call Bechstein and ask them about those veneers. They probably have a archive including that piano they can refer to.

Steve


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They offer a service whereby they let you know all the details they have on a piano, but it does cost a small amount. This one would be a candidate for a check of their records. Anything prewar is more problematic due to the attentions of Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet, GCB, OBE, AFC


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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
They offer a service whereby they let you know all the details they have on a piano, but it does cost a small amount. This one would be a candidate for a check of their records. Anything prewar is more problematic due to the attentions of Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet, GCB, OBE, AFC

You have caught my interest ! I have an interest in the history of Bechstein pianos especially how the 2 WW ,s affected them .Let us know how Travers Harris affected thier success. ,for the better or worse. I have a feeling for the worse .

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What I mean is that I think Bechstein are still great pianos today but are now doubt different from what they were at that stage .

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He was instrumental in their decision to build a new factory after the war.


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