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Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai #2773653 10/18/18 01:49 PM
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Never having played, I am excited to purchase my first piano and get started very soon!

We need a digital piano so we can practice with headphones, something that looks nice, has a keyboard cover, offers good touch and sound, and is priced around $1000. I realize you can't get everything you want for $1000 but I need some constructive advice on what we CAN get. Local music stores seem too busy to talk to us about options when we mention our budget. mad

I'm looking closely at the Roland RP 102. Right now they offer a deal including a bench and headphones for $999, plus Roland is throwing in a free mini iPad through the end of the year (score!). My concerns with this model are the small speakers and lack of onboard buttons that could make changing settings difficult unless I either memorized all of the function keys or kept the manual handy. I won't be doing gigs, just playing at home. Can anyone speak to my concerns on this model?

Also willing to look at Yamaha and Kawai options that are priced close to our budget too. Crossing my fingers that there will be deals coming up for the holidays! What would you guys recommend?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Jtater02] #2773734 10/18/18 06:49 PM
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Hello Jtater, welcome to the forum!

Originally Posted by Jtater02
Also willing to look at Yamaha and Kawai options that are priced close to our budget too. Crossing my fingers that there will be deals coming up for the holidays! What would you guys recommend?


I would recommend taking a look at the Yamaha YDP-163 and Kawai KDP110.

Best of luck!

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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Kawai James] #2773761 10/18/18 09:58 PM
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I will! Thank you.

Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Jtater02] #2773767 10/18/18 11:58 PM
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When you have a chance, play the Casio PX-series.


I used to have a PX-870 and really liked it.


When you play, never mind who listens to you. R.Schumann.

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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Learux] #2773779 10/19/18 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Learux
When you have a chance, play the Casio PX-series.

I used to have a PX-870 and really liked it.


Also the AP series could be interesting. Just avoid PX or AP models that are rather old (came into production before 2012. Avoid CDP series.
In practice the newer ones are x50, x60, x60M, x70, x80 and PX-A* models (and in case of stage pianos, also CGP-700).


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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Jtater02] #2773781 10/19/18 03:47 AM
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I previously had a Yamaha YDP-163 that I had to get rid of due to lack of funds for a short notice house move.

When I have recently got settled in and bought another, I didn't have the budget for the 163, so instead had to choose between the Roland RP-102, and the Yamaha YDP-143.

For me, the action feels better on the RP-102 than the YDP-143, as does the pedals for me. I also listened to several blind recordings of each (both recorded from the output, and from a mic via the speakers) and preferred the sound of the Roland each time.

I went for the RP-102, like you, I was also concerned with the size of the speakers. But I haven't felt that I need anything more at the moment. They can be as loud as many uprights, and if you really want more volume, or a better quality speaker externals are an easy upgrade.

I'd personally take the Roland over similarly priced Yamaha's. If your budget stretches to the YDP-163 however, that is certainly worth a look also.

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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Jtater02] #2773792 10/19/18 06:05 AM
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Also to add.

Regarding the lack of buttons, this is similar on the YDP-143 and 163. It's a combination of holding a button and pressing a key.

However, I do find the roland app to be very good. Though I haven't actually changed any settings from standard. I do like how I can pick up the recordings and playback my practice on my phone. And the little stats of how much I use certain keys.

Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Learux] #2773849 10/19/18 09:52 AM
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I will check it out. Thank you.

Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: Jtater02] #2773941 10/19/18 06:15 PM
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Dear J Tate, you can get everything about $1000. I bought last week Roland FP 30 (699) double X stand ($49 weighted for 175 pounds) adjustable bench (49), PreSonus studio monitor (one for $149) plus the cable $12. This was 958. I informed the small store owner I was patronizing his business instead of buying from Sweetwater, and asked for a 10% discount. Discount was $95. I did buy a Gator case from Sweetwater that was about $200, so you would go over by $100 (given you had a 10% discount) but there are less expensive cases.

I read a lot of reviews about 100 plus reviews on the Roland, compared to the Casio, Yamaha and others. Roland has firm keys, does not wiggle, does not feel cheap plastic like. The Casios I tried felt this way. I did not like the muffled Roland sound, and I read several other reviews that noted this issue. The speakers 11w are on the underside of the piano. The studio monitor fixed that issue. Though, in fairness I read people were happy with the sound and others viewed it as a negative. It depends on your perception. However, I have a Clavinova CLP 575 I use headphones with and a Yamaha YUS 5, so it may be pickiness on my part.

The Roland is 30 pounds, heavier than others, but the feel is really nice. The studio monitor is 10 pounds easy to travel with. I had at one time a Yamaha P105. I think the controls are limited, but the low end studio monitor does add some equalizer capability (not much). FP 30 does not have an LCD screen, but I use the Bluetooth and connect to Rolands app on my tablet to control the settings. The settings are limited, but then again this is a lower end keyboard. Really easy using the tablet to adjust the settings. Initially I did not buy the monitor, then a few days later I did, I think is makes a difference, much happier with the sound now. The feel and touch does not seem this is a low end DP. For $1000 this is a nice set up, in my opinion, I have no regrets.


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Re: Roland RP 102 vs Yamaha & Kawai [Re: DFSRN] #2774450 10/21/18 10:32 PM
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Thank you.


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