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Did I invent a new scale?
#2771113 10/10/18 03:01 PM
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I was messing around with different things to play over a c-min-maj at the beginning of Miles Davis' Solar. The melodic minor scale works fine, but I also tried some improv on this scale:

C D# E F# G A# B

Have any of you seen a scale like that before? Does it have a name?

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Re: Did I invent a new scale?
KenBakerMN #2771161 10/10/18 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KenBakerMN
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C D# E F# G A# B

Have any of you seen a scale like that before? Does it have a name?
Yes; and it is called the blues scale, only absent F.

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Nahum, a blues scale wouldn't have E or B. The bebop dominant scale would have the E and B, and I know you can sort of mix the two scales as you go, and end up with the notes I listed. But that's not really the same as playing those specific notes as a scale.

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KenBakerMN #2771241 10/10/18 09:41 PM
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IMHO, no. It's riffin' over a C7.


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KenBakerMN #2771243 10/10/18 09:41 PM
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The E harmonic blues scale except for the B-flat . That scale on the C major triad gives you a 1/2 step approach to each tone of the C major triad

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It always boggles my mind that there are hundreds and hundreds of scale names, but only twelve notes. At some point the scale names become meaningless if you think of it in terms of the function of each interval.

Fwiw, I've always thought the full blues scale is C Eb E F F# G Bb B C. You can add in the D and A with it still sounding kinda bluesy, but the Db and Ab is usually a step too far.

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Originally Posted by GoldmanT
It always boggles my mind that there are hundreds and hundreds of scale names, but only twelve notes. At some point the scale names become meaningless if you think of it in terms of the function of each interval.

Fwiw, I've always thought the full blues scale is C Eb E F F# G Bb B C. You can add in the D and A with it still sounding kinda bluesy, but the Db and Ab is usually a step too far.



Have to agree with both you and Nahum, the OP has fragments of the blues scale

and it is over a minor tonality.

I just mentioned the harmonic mode from the sixth because it's so incredible on a major chord

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KenBakerMN #2773011 10/16/18 11:00 AM
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Sorry, according to this Scale Website , it's already been named the Loptian scale. It's number 18 on the list when you scroll down.

Even though there are many possibilities (some rarely used), pretty much all scales using western tuning have been discovered and named already.

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Originally Posted by GoldmanT
It always boggles my mind that there are hundreds and hundreds of scale names, but only twelve notes. At some point the scale names become meaningless if you think of it in terms of the function of each interval.

Fwiw, I've always thought the full blues scale is C Eb E F F# G Bb B C. You can add in the D and A with it still sounding kinda bluesy, but the Db and Ab is usually a step too far.


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Originally Posted by GoldmanT
It always boggles my mind that there are hundreds and hundreds of scale names, but only twelve notes. At some point the scale names become meaningless if you think of it in terms of the function of each interval.
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The principle is this: if there is a beast, then it gets a name. There are 1.2 million animal species on the globe. On your system, we should not distinguish between an elephant and a frog by name?

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I can see why things get names for ease of description and categorisation, but each chromatic note has a function - if I want a darker sound I play a minor 3rd, b9 and b13; if I want a brighter sound I play a major 3rd and a #11. If you start with a major or minor scale there are only a limited number of alterations you can make to it, resulting in a lot of overall combinations. So I guess sometimes we should focus on what the alterations are and what effect the have rather than knowing the name of each combination. Learning how the melodic minor scale works put this into perspective for me, it was just a slight adjustment of what I was already familiar with, and paralleled how I had already been thinking about chords.

A better analogy might be that there are 400,000 different kinds of beetle, each with their own Latin name, but for most people it's enough to think of them in terms of 'beetle with checkered wings' or 'beetle with stag antennae and pointy knees'.

I can't work out if that scale-naming website is a spoof or not!


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