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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Maybe, but pound is much more expensive than euro.

Not really. 1£ = 1.13€ currently.


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Ok then so it's only that expensive for me in pounds smile

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Roland says “....and your hands won’t grow tired when playing over longer periods.”
This is regarding the so-called benefits of a longer key/pivot point. To add to the soothing experience of playing these keyboards, Roland has added a finger-massage feature in the form of vibrating keys.

“The keys’ subtle vibrations massage your fingers whilst the extra-long pivot provides for a smooth and fatigue-free playing experience. So kick back and relax; practice is a thing of the past!”

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"Massage"... I've missed that in descriptions. Main reason for those vibrations is to simulate soundboard vibrations that go to keyboard on acoustic, Sice this digital piano is build differently,vibrations from speakers can't directly affect keyboard hence this Roland's idea, which is interesting. As for longer key- yeah- less tiring practice might be true. It's so much more comfortable to play on concert grand than some smaller grands and I think it's mostly because of different pivot point.

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Well, take in mind the "quote" (quote in quotes) was made up by Pete wink Surprise?


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I think I've missed or skipped over something in this discussion.

What is the CH version and how does it differ from the not-CH version?


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CW is just mat finish instead of polished one. It's a lot cheaper if you don't need that.

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Still finding the sound a little... thin??... in the p/mp mid-midhigh range


Hi Bambers,

This is what I think every time I hear YouTube videos of the FP90: I hear thin mids / highs. Didn't hear that whilst playing the LX17 through speakers though. Perhaps when sat in front of 8 speakers all pointing in different directions, the effect is different..

Kind regards,

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yea, I touched on that a bit afterwards. Playing in a room you're going to get much more real world reverb to put some body into the sound, I think for samples on websites they need to perhaps mess with the settings a bit more rather than it sounding like it's being played in an anechoic chamber which is always going to sound weird.

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That one is a fair bit nicer to my ears.

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Not really. 1£ = 1.13€ currently.


was close to €1.30 two and a bit years ago... crazy Really quite glad I got back into this and bought a DP in May 16 actually and not later!

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Originally Posted by Nordomus


Sounded exactly the same to me as the other samples. But having said that I definitely prefer the American sound. Will be interesting to hear it in the flesh, so to speak. Would it persuade me to upgrade from my LX7?


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Roland says “....and your hands won’t grow tired when playing over longer periods.”
This is regarding the so-called benefits of a longer key/pivot point. To add to the soothing experience of playing these keyboards, Roland has added a finger-massage feature in the form of vibrating keys.

“The keys’ subtle vibrations massage your fingers whilst the extra-long pivot provides for a smooth and fatigue-free playing experience. So kick back and relax; practice is a thing of the past!”


Well then, Roland has "gone cheap" on us! A full time massage therapist came with every V-Grand. smile

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Colin- I don't think so, it's not a huge upgrade from LX-7, unless you will get LX 708. But if you have money for that then even 706 might be interesting upgrade, anyway too early to tell.

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BTW is this legit store? https://nebout-hamm.com/boutique/piano-roland-lx708/
They don't answer my questions.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
BTW is this legit store? https://nebout-hamm.com/boutique/piano-roland-lx708/
They don't answer my questions.


Yes, the store definitely exists.

In the web site it invites you to contact them to arrange an in store try out/ demo.
Also if you go on Google Maps, go to the Paris area, type in “Nebout and Hamm”.

It shows the location with photos of a few Nebout and Hamm piano stores in Paris.
There are even user reviews of customers that have visited the store.

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Yeah found a bit info as well, gonna try to contact them again then.

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Also could you change topic so it clearly says about LX-700 series?

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That is an interesting thread you linked to, thank you. I had no idea Roland uses Grease in their actions. Is this a new thing? Perhaps beginning with the PHA50 action? Or have they used grease in their older actions as well? I was beginning to strongly favor Roland particularly for their actions (edit: and for their solid system stability as well), but this information has turned me off.

AFAIK they always used grease.
It's used mostly in 3 places, and I'm 90% sure it's the same in the new keyboard:
https://imgur.com/a/d1oyJRz
The worst are 1 and 2. In 1 there is plastic pin on which key moves and on 2 there is "basket" with grease in it to smooth out key leverage and in both places there is problem with grease moving. In 1 it's worse because once grease moves it can't go back on it's own, on 2 it does go back because of gravity(grease is less dense). I didn't have much problems with 3.
Still, maybe they improved it somehow, I'm really curious and I'm anxious to try those pianos out.


Hi, I apologize for the late response. Thank you for clarifying this. I'm surprised because I've been using a Roland for many years and never had an issue with its action. That's why I was surprised to hear that this could be a problem for the current action. Perhaps the grease is more of a problem for the current PHA 50 action than for the older ones? I'm still undecided on which piano brand has the sturdier actions which last longer. Looks like Roland might be just that, but the grease makes it susceptible to issues down the line. Thanks.

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Yeah like I said many times, no piano is perfect unfortunately frown Still I'm very, very interested in this new LX series and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get 708.

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Just my 2 cents here . . .

I think it's great that Yamaha, Kawai and Roland are addressing the "high end" digital piano market. I see a situation one day where I will want a quality piano in my home, but will not have the space to accommodate a baby grand. I understand the tone and atmosphere you get with a grand piano that digitals do not (yet) fully match. At the same time, it would be nice to not have to tune or regulate the instrument - just dial in the character and tone you want.

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread about being able to provide updates to the digital instruments, as this is one of the places that do potentially add value. My primary concern is that Roland does not have a robust track record of longer-term support of a product after the 1.0 release. It would be very satisfying as a customer to know that Roland continued investment in the LX pianos by providing software updates with features and new sounds to existing customers. But their practice is to abandon the prior generation product and introduce an all-new model. Have the LX-17 owners seen any software updates?

I would expect more after paying all that money for the instrument. We will see if this changes in the future.

I have not played any of these instruments, so I cannot comment on anything other than the aesthetics and YouTube videos. I personally prefer Kawai's UI implementation of putting the touch screen on the left cheek block.


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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
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That is an interesting thread you linked to, thank you. I had no idea Roland uses Grease in their actions. Is this a new thing? Perhaps beginning with the PHA50 action? Or have they used grease in their older actions as well? I was beginning to strongly favor Roland particularly for their actions (edit: and for their solid system stability as well), but this information has turned me off.

AFAIK they always used grease.
It's used mostly in 3 places, and I'm 90% sure it's the same in the new keyboard:
https://imgur.com/a/d1oyJRz
The worst are 1 and 2. In 1 there is plastic pin on which key moves and on 2 there is "basket" with grease in it to smooth out key leverage and in both places there is problem with grease moving. In 1 it's worse because once grease moves it can't go back on it's own, on 2 it does go back because of gravity(grease is less dense). I didn't have much problems with 3.
Still, maybe they improved it somehow, I'm really curious and I'm anxious to try those pianos out.


Hi, I apologize for the late response. Thank you for clarifying this. I'm surprised because I've been using a Roland for many years and never had an issue with its action. That's why I was surprised to hear that this could be a problem for the current action. Perhaps the grease is more of a problem for the current PHA 50 action than for the older ones? I'm still undecided on which piano brand has the sturdier actions which last longer. Looks like Roland might be just that, but the grease makes it susceptible to issues down the line. Thanks.


I think with each new keybed deign, it remains to be seen what problems may occur over time. In a thread a few years ago when Jay was still working for Roland in Canada, he stated that the PHA-III action had thousands of hours of kids pounding on it in schools all across Canada and there had not been any problems reported. I have not heard about problems with newer Roland keybeds, but neither have I heard a statement such as Jay made about the PHA-III either, probably because he no longer works for Roland and the newer keybeds had not been out as long yet.

Tony


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