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Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? #2771954
10/12/18 07:42 PM
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Bit of a random question, but any info would be great.
I'm due to view some pianos in Germany next week - a Seiler 206 (1995) and a Grotrian Cabinet 192 (1997), amongst others...

I've just read somewhere that Seilers are known for having a very 'light' touch, that pianists do not like.
And that Grotrians have a firm, heavier touch.

I don't like light touch at all - so be good to know if the above is, in general, true. Is light touch a characteristic of a Seiler grand?
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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: precise] #2771966
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You seem to be reading some pretty weird information about Seilers...
I’ve only played maybe one German Seiler that I’d characterize as feeling particularly light, and it was a concert grand that had been worked on a ton by a technician who owned a small dealership.

Its environment, usage, and care become increasingly more important as these instruments age. They could be well preserved time capsules, thrashed, or somewhere in between by this point.

Full disclosure: I’ve played a lot of model 208s, even performed on one once, but have never even seen a 206 before.


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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: terminaldegree] #2771971
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Thanks, terminaldegree - yes, for sure, I've read some weird things about Seilers - mainly that they are characteristically over-bright - and 'designed' to sound 'out of tune'. crazy

The 206, from '95 - I'll view it and see. But it could well be of the preserved in a time capsule variety. Asked for videos and photos - everything looks utterly immaculate and new - and it sounds like an imposing beast smile


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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: precise] #2772036
10/13/18 04:17 AM
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When a piano is a few years old like these, it's very difficult to say "typically is xyz" - particularly with a Tier 1 Grand. Even new pianos can be like that - the likes of Yamaha and Kawai are generally fairly consistent between actual pianos, but some brands can be very different.

When I ordered mine, I specified that the factory regulate it as a concert instrument with fine tolerances and voice it for a smallish home - taking a risk that it might be a little intolerant of humidity change. But no, it was a dream off the airliner, and with a lighter and more responsive touch than the one I'd played on the showroom floor.

But, since then, I've had the regulation and voicing adjusted to how I like it. It's light, but more because the action has been adjusted to be very responsive.

These 2 pianos would have been delivered to their previous owner(s) - and could be very different from the "typical" after a number of years of regulation and voicing.

That's assuming that it has been done - there are some which aren't, or aren't done well.

The only way you're going to know is to play them, sorry.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: precise] #2772108
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Oh boy ,Precise I do hope you find your dream piano. The only way is to play all these pianos ,no other way to find the right one .If you ever get to try a Sauter grand take the opportunity to try one .It is neither too light nor nor to heavy .,but maybe they are difficult to find in the UK .The tone is all that you could want .,but then perhaps it's something else you need , like an MH ?

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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: Lady Bird] #2772121
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Yes, for sure - a big beast of a MH or Baldwin. Eventually...

Meanwhile, will be piano shopping in Germany, so am viewing quality instruments that have (supposedly) only had very little use. Sauter hasn't popped up in my search so far, but I know them to be truly gorgeous pianos. Seems that people hang on to them smile


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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: precise] #2772161
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Enjoy that piano shopping, enjoy Germany !

Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: precise] #2772667
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I agree that you are getting very weird information about piano's.

Originally Posted by precise
Thanks, terminaldegree - yes, for sure, I've read some weird things about Seilers - mainly that they are characteristically over-bright - and 'designed' to sound 'out of tune'. crazy

The 206, from '95 - I'll view it and see. But it could well be of the preserved in a time capsule variety. Asked for videos and photos - everything looks utterly immaculate and new - and it sounds like an imposing beast smile


I guess you'd better stay away from people making such general statements. Same for the statement about Grotrian Steinweg. Play them and don't let your opinion be distorted before you experience the piano yourselves.
Seiler by the way has multiple ranges which are also built in multiple countries. I would say: read "piano buyer" and play as much different piano's as you possibly can: form your own opinion.

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Re: Touch/Depth Grotrian and Seiler grands? [Re: WimPiano] #2772885
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Originally Posted by WimPiano
... I would say: read "piano buyer" and play as much different piano's as you possibly can: form your own opinion.

Spot on. You need to choose what YOU like to play.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).

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