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Gas stove vs. window proximity #2757124
08/09/18 12:20 PM
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Hello,

I am new to the forum. I have recently purchased my first new acoustic piano, an upright Schulz Pollmann 132A. It is currently still waiting in the showroom and probably will remain there for a few weeks until the space in which it will live is ready.

I have a very small 1922 bungalow in Los Angeles. I am in the Silverlake area where it can get fairly hot and cold. The walls are not very thick or well insulated. The living room, where the piano will be, has only one interior wall and the portion of that wall that is wide enough for the piano, and not taken up by doorways, is not far from a fake fireplace on the adjacent wall which is where the gas heater is located. I am planning to replace the gas heater with a cast iron, direct vent gas stove. Regency-Hampton H15 is a likely model for the gas stove. Of the two remaining walls, on the first there is a spot between two windows, just big enough for the piano, on the sunniest and hottest side of the house, and on the second wall a spot between french door windows and the front door, slightly wider space, on a wall that is somewhat shaded

The room is about 11x21. The sunniest, hottest wall is the furthest from the heater, the interior wall is the closest to the heater.

I saw another thread here discussing wood stoves and am wondering if a natural gas stove poses the same threat to the piano. The direct vent gas stove does not exchange any air between inside and outside, from what I understand.

How can I choose between daily temperature shifts on an outside wall vs. possible dryness and heat in winter? Humidity control? Heat shield between piano and gas stove? Keep piano on interior wall and move it to Exterior wall in the winter?

I look forward to any input!

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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757135
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Clarification on room size. Room has two parts with different widths. In portion of room where heater and interior wall are the width is 12.5’. So the heater is basically centered on the 12.5 wall, more or less. Interior wall is about 5.5’ from corner of gas stove.

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757141
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Any heat source including wood stoves, gas heaters, hot air vents, fireplaces, etc can pose a danger to the piano in the form of drying out the wood. If there's no way to avoid close proximity to a heat source then a damp chaser is in order.


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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757145
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Given that the problems are all around the perimeter, the best idea would be to find a way of putting the piano in the middle of the room.


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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757162
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Opera Mezzo, welcome to the forum. I am not familiar with these gas stoves. Does the metal body of the stove get hot to the touch? (Or if not, how does the heat get out?)

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757189
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The title of this thread kind of reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago. A guy jumps out of an airplane with a parachute on, pulls the rip-cord and nothing happened; he was in a free-fall headed toward the ground and the parachute didn't open. In a panic he looks down and sees this guy traveling upward toward the stratosphere at a fast pace. The parachutist yells out and asks the guy if he knows anything about parachutes. The upward traveler yells back and says no, do you know anything about lighting a gas stove. smile (I'd never make it as a comedian:-)

Jesting aside, you are dealing with two primary kinds of heat, convection and radiation. Convection heats the air surrounding the objects in the heated space, which in turn heats the objects in the heated space. Radiation heats objects in the path of the radiant waves without heating the space it travels through. If convection is the primary type of heat emitted by the gas stove, having the piano several feet away should be fine. I'd avoid the radiant heat (glows red), if that is what you are dealing with.

Having the piano closer to a window may be better than having it too close to the heater. It would be good if you could strike a balance and try to control the relative humidity in the room where the piano is located.

Good luck, and welcome to Piano World! smile

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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: Rickster] #2757227
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Originally Posted by Rickster
The title of this thread kind of reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago. A guy jumps out of an airplane with a parachute on, pulls the rip-cord and nothing happened; he was in a free-fall headed toward the ground and the parachute didn't open. In a panic he looks down and sees this guy traveling upward toward the stratosphere at a fast pace. The parachutist yells out and asks the guy if he knows anything about parachutes. The upward traveler yells back and says no, do you know anything about lighting a gas stove. smile (I'd never make it as a comedian:-)

Jesting aside, you are dealing with two primary kinds of heat, convection and radiation. Convection heats the air surrounding the objects in the heated space, which in turn heats the objects in the heated space. Radiation heats objects in the path of the radiant waves without heating the space it travels through. If convection is the primary type of heat emitted by the gas stove, having the piano several feet away should be fine. I'd avoid the radiant heat (glows red), if that is what you are dealing with.

Having the piano closer to a window may be better than having it too close to the heater. It would be good if you could strike a balance and try to control the relative humidity in the room where the piano is located.

Good luck, and welcome to Piano World! smile

Rick


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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757286
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The problem with any form of heating is that it raises the temperature without adding humidity so the relative humidity of the air drops and the piano dries out.

The only exception I know is a simple gas stove venting into the room. With these the gas combustion itself produces water vapour which adds to the humidity and as such is much kinder to the piano. I'm planning to get a smallish bottled gas catalytic heater just for the piano room this winter.

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: David-G] #2757421
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Yes, the stove is cast iron and gets hot. It has a glass face so most heat moves out the front but the body of the stove does hold the heat and radiate it.

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: Rickster] #2757425
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Good joke. Looks like my chances for survival are slim. smile

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757429
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Thank you all for your input so far! I’ve never actually been on a forum like this before and couldn’t navigate well to find your responses. Thinking no one had seen it, I reposted in the Tuning and Technical forum on this site as well. Hope that that is not bad form.

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Originally Posted by gwing
The only exception I know is a simple gas stove venting into the room. With these the gas combustion itself produces water vapour which adds to the humidity



Venting into the room is prohibited by the building codes here in the States -- because of the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning.


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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2757505
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Originally Posted by OperaMezzo
Yes, the stove is cast iron and gets hot. It has a glass face so most heat moves out the front but the body of the stove does hold the heat and radiate it.

That is as I feared. You really must not put the piano anywhere near the stove, where the hot body of the stove might warm it through radiative heating. I would put it on one of the "two remaining walls", as far from the stove as possible. You could mitigate the effects of warmth in the sunny corner, or fresh air from the doors, by installing a Dampp Chaser as suggested by Peter.

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Originally Posted by OperaMezzo

Thank you all for your input so far! I’ve never actually been on a forum like this before and couldn’t navigate well to find your responses. Thinking no one had seen it, I reposted in the Tuning and Technical forum on this site as well. Hope that that is not bad form.

That's fine, don't worry about it! Just remember to check for answers in both forums.

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2763857
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Where did you end up putting your piano .I really like Schultz and polman pianos.

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The piano is finally in it’s new home! There was a long delay while the house was being painted. So happy to have it now! It is on the sunny side of the house between the two windows but far away from the gas stove, or where it will be, not yet installed. I have been checking the inside of window, wall, and piano to feel for any warmth on hottter days. It doesn’t seem to get warm at all. I’m being very carful to keep curtains closed to block direct sunlight. I’ll try to post a pic!

I have posted a new thread to solve the mystery of the extra panels that came with the piano. If anyone has any insights on that I’d love to hear.

Thanks everybody!
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Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2772285
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My old Yamaha piano which I sold used to stand with the back of the piano against the outside wall .I had a plastic board cut which I put behind the piano protecting it from any cold or possible dampness from the wall .You could buy a cover for the piano as well or cover with a old quilt or blanket to protect it from the draft from the door or a window. By a cheap digital hygrometer to check the drops in humidity. Congratulations on your new piano.

Re: Gas stove vs. window proximity [Re: OperaMezzo] #2772459
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132A am I right in thinking it is an upright piano ?Do you think you could send a picture ?It would great to see .Extra panels with the piano ?Where did you post this on piano world ? I once played a Shultz and Polman piano at a musical evening .It was a grand .Loved it .Then when looking for a new upright I tried one of thier uprights .,The tone was exquisite .The piano was lovely to look at too .They make the most beautiful cabinets for thier pianos!

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Opera Mezzo ,
How are you enjoying your new piano ? Is it holding up well .Sometimes new pianos need more frequent tunings and attention. No problem it's just because it is new .If you have time let us know how it is going .Regards .


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