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Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? #2771098
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Hi all,

I'm currently learning The Entertainer, well actually re-learning, since I could play it several years ago when I was having lessons. So I've got back into it relatively quickly. It still needs work (I'll post my recording here when I'm happy with it), but I was wondering what to go for next?

I love ragtime, and my favourite Joplin rag is the Ragtime Dance. I have the Joplin sheet music book though, and it looks very difficult.

Would anyone be able to recommend any rags that would be a natural progression up from The Entertainer please, but not too much of a jump that I can't play it and lose the enjoyment. I really do like most of Joplin's rags, and have most of the sheet music but some of them are really hard.

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Re: Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? [Re: danlightbulb] #2771100
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Re: Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? [Re: danlightbulb] #2771104
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Pine Apple is pretty good, and not too difficult. Maple Leaf is great but has some pretty tricky spots at a quick tempo. Solace is a beautiful slower piece, a few tricky spots but mostly pretty manageable.

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I have been listening to The Easy Winners and like it alot, but the key signature is 4 flats/5 flats in parts which I was a bit worried about.

I can play the first and second sections of Maple Leaf, not well though, and the third section hasn't come together for me when I've tried previously. I may come back to that one in the future maybe.

Pineapple Rag is nice too, I do prefer The Easy Winners though so think that's top of the list.

Solace - not one I'd heard before, and don't have the music to it, but it is very beautiful yes. One for the short list certainly.


EDIT - just got halfway through Solace and I have heard it before - the middle section is featured in The Sting. If I could learn all the music featured in that film I'd be very happy indeed.


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Re: Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? [Re: danlightbulb] #2771418
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I still the think the Entertainer in it's original form is the hardest. Maple Leaf was a little easier for me at the time.

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Originally Posted by danlightbulb
Would anyone be able to recommend any rags that would be a natural progression up from The Entertainer please, but not too much of a jump that I can't play it and lose the enjoyment.


Concur with the other suggestions in this thread. Joplin's rags are in a relatively narrow difficulty band, with "The Entertainer" being somewhere in the middle.

Some other good rags and my sort of sense as to relative difficulty:

* "Weeping Willow" (easier)
* "Paragon Rag" (easier)

* "Gladiolus Rag" (harder)
* "Magnetic Rag" (harder)
* "Heliotrope Bouquet" (harder)

The two easier rags are great fun and upbeat like the Entertainer and have a great reward-to-time-invested ratio.

The latter three have a lot of lyrical elements and are arguably among Joplin's finest compositions (and of quality rarely equaled by other ragtime composers in the era).


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Re: Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? [Re: danlightbulb] #2771654
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John Schaum did nice Joplin adaptations for intermediate pianists. Available in 2 books.


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Re: Ragtime piece to learn after 'The Entertainer'? [Re: danlightbulb] #2771691
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I suggest you look at some other composers, like James Scott, Joseph Lamb, and Tom Turpin.


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Originally Posted by BDB
I suggest you look at some other composers, like James Scott, Joseph Lamb, and Tom Turpin.


Thanks - I dont want to restrict myself to Joplin its just that his pieces are the most recognisable. Any pieces from those composers I should have a look at initially?

Also, does it get easier to learn rags after a while? I can play The Entertainer reasonably well but finding it doesnt yet translate easily to other ones.

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Dover has some books of rags that are worth picking up. You can explore for yourself.

Eventually, the stride bass becomes easier as your sense of where your hands are gets honed. The rhythms start to become ingrained, and that helps.


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Originally Posted by danlightbulb
Thanks - I dont want to restrict myself to Joplin its just that his pieces are the most recognisable. Any pieces from those composers I should have a look at initially?


Generally, Lamb is about as hard as Joplin. Scott is a little harder. Again, sort of a narrow range for ragtime.

In comparison to The Entertainer:

Classic Lamb
Champagne Rag (easier)
Patricia Rag (easier)
Ragtime Nightingale (equal)
Topliner Rag (harder)

Modern Lamb
Bird-Brain Rag (equal)
Cottontail Rag (harder)

Scott
Ophelia Rag (easier)
Sunburst Rag (harder)
Broadway Rag (harder)
Efficiency Rag (harder)

Turpin is easier than most Joplin. It is a pretty early style and there is not published by him. "A Ragtime Nightmare" might be worth investigating.

Originally Posted by danlightbulb

Also, does it get easier to learn rags after a while? I can play The Entertainer reasonably well but finding it doesnt yet translate easily to other ones.


It gets easier, for some value of "a while"


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