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Arpeggio technique question #2771388
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Hello... I had a question about the fingering for certain types of arpeggios and there really seems to be little to no instruction on this on the internet. For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

A good example of what I am talking about is in the video below, starting at about the 4:23 mark. Obviously much too fast for me to be able to tell by watching the video...

https://youtu.be/yx1SfR9DV3k

I would like to know the recommended fingering for these so that I can practice building speed on this and other similar arpeggio runs involving sharps and flats...Thanks for any help!

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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771410
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Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
Hello... I had a question about the fingering for certain types of arpeggios and there really seems to be little to no instruction on this on the internet. For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

421
432
321
421
432

is one option. Try to let the relaxed hand float from one pattern to the next. Don’t play this legato.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: prout] #2771488
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Thank you! I will try it!

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771510
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By the way, YouTube can be slowed down to 25% speed. Press the settings button (well, first pause the video) in the lower right, and use the Speed feature.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771518
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Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
[...] certain types of arpeggios[...] Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

[...]


Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios? This sequence of notes is not what I thought of when I read "arpeggio" in the OP.

Regards,


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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: BruceD] #2771528
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
[...] certain types of arpeggios[...] Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

[...]


Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios? This sequence of notes is not what I thought of when I read "arpeggio" in the OP.

Regards,
Good question. ‘Arpeggio’ references the Italian root ‘arpa’ for harp, so any group of notes that could sort of form a chord and would likely be played broken on a harp could be considered an arpeggio. How’s that for vague?

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: BruceD] #2771570
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Originally Posted by BruceD
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Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios?


The distinction off the top of my head is that arpeggios always go either lowest to highest or highest to lowest in scale order, while broken chords can be played in any order you want.

That may be totally bogus, I'm sure someone will tell us if it is.....


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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771663
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Another question - wouldn’t an Amaj9 be A C# E G# B?

I don’t understand what the F# and D# are doing here.

Thanks.


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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: cmb13] #2771677
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Another question - wouldn’t an Amaj9 be A C# E G# B?


It would be, if it were an arpeggio.

Originally Posted by cmb13
I don’t understand what the F# and D# are doing here.
Nor do I, not if we are talking about an arpeggio - in the traditional sense. That's why I think we are talking about three-note broken chords.

Looking at any examination syllabus that requires playing arpeggios as part of the technical requirements, one is required to play:
major: A, C-sharp, E, A ... (etc.) - for four octaves
minor: A, C, D, A ... (etc...) for four octaves
dominant: A, C-sharp, E, G, A ... (etc.) for four octaves
diminished: A, C, D-sharp, F-sharp, A ... (etc.) for four octaves

four-note broken chords, on the other hand:
A, C-sharp, E, A; C-sharp, E, A, C-sharp; E, A, C-sharp E, A, C-sharp, E, A; etc., etc.

Regards,



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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771719
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Indeed. Those notes are not part of Amaj9 and all this stuff is hardly the chords. What is this A F# E? Asus6 ?
I think it's just a passage.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771748
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I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.

Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

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Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.
Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

I think it is our responsibility to correct an incorrect information, so no one reading this would be confused or would learn incorrect things.

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Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.

Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.


Well, the title of the thread is about arpeggios, and the question specifically refers to an Amaj9 arpeggio

Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
.............For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...
..........


and I wondered if there was something I was missing here. I'm not an expert...maybe there's something I don't get, or maybe the OP didn't know, or maybe it was a typo. It doesn't matter, I'm glad he got the answers he needed.


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Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2771878
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.
Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

I think it is our responsibility to correct an incorrect information, so no one reading this would be confused or would learn incorrect things.
I agree, but I also think that we can extend our concepts encompass larger groups of sounds that might fit a given definition. I will have more to say with examples.


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