Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

Who's Online Now
74 registered members (Beemer, 2Be3, Alex C, barbaram, Beowulf, amad23, 90125, 15 invisible), 884 guests, and 4 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Arpeggio technique question #2771388
10/11/18 09:29 AM
10/11/18 09:29 AM
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 16
A
ArtVandalay7 Offline OP
Junior Member
ArtVandalay7  Offline OP
Junior Member
A

Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 16
Hello... I had a question about the fingering for certain types of arpeggios and there really seems to be little to no instruction on this on the internet. For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

A good example of what I am talking about is in the video below, starting at about the 4:23 mark. Obviously much too fast for me to be able to tell by watching the video...

https://youtu.be/yx1SfR9DV3k

I would like to know the recommended fingering for these so that I can practice building speed on this and other similar arpeggio runs involving sharps and flats...Thanks for any help!

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771410
10/11/18 10:26 AM
10/11/18 10:26 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
P
prout Offline
4000 Post Club Member
prout  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
P

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
Hello... I had a question about the fingering for certain types of arpeggios and there really seems to be little to no instruction on this on the internet. For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

421
432
321
421
432

is one option. Try to let the relaxed hand float from one pattern to the next. Don’t play this legato.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: prout] #2771488
10/11/18 01:25 PM
10/11/18 01:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 16
A
ArtVandalay7 Offline OP
Junior Member
ArtVandalay7  Offline OP
Junior Member
A

Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 16
Thank you! I will try it!

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771510
10/11/18 02:44 PM
10/11/18 02:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 176
R
RubberFingers Offline
Full Member
RubberFingers  Offline
Full Member
R

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 176
By the way, YouTube can be slowed down to 25% speed. Press the settings button (well, first pause the video) in the lower right, and use the Speed feature.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771518
10/11/18 03:01 PM
10/11/18 03:01 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,918
Victoria, BC
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
BruceD  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,918
Victoria, BC
Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
[...] certain types of arpeggios[...] Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

[...]


Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios? This sequence of notes is not what I thought of when I read "arpeggio" in the OP.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: BruceD] #2771528
10/11/18 03:32 PM
10/11/18 03:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
P
prout Offline
4000 Post Club Member
prout  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
P

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
[...] certain types of arpeggios[...] Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...

[...]


Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios? This sequence of notes is not what I thought of when I read "arpeggio" in the OP.

Regards,
Good question. ‘Arpeggio’ references the Italian root ‘arpa’ for harp, so any group of notes that could sort of form a chord and would likely be played broken on a harp could be considered an arpeggio. How’s that for vague?

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: BruceD] #2771570
10/11/18 04:35 PM
10/11/18 04:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,825
Reseda, California
J
JohnSprung Offline
Unobtanium Subscriber
JohnSprung  Offline
Unobtanium Subscriber
J

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,825
Reseda, California
Originally Posted by BruceD
[
Question: All arpeggios are broken chords; are all broken chords arpeggios?


The distinction off the top of my head is that arpeggios always go either lowest to highest or highest to lowest in scale order, while broken chords can be played in any order you want.

That may be totally bogus, I'm sure someone will tell us if it is.....


-- J.S.

[Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Knabe Grand # 10927
Yamaha CP33
Kawai FS690
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771663
10/11/18 10:36 PM
10/11/18 10:36 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,819
Florida
cmb13 Online content
Silver Level
cmb13  Online Content
Silver Level

Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,819
Florida
Another question - wouldn’t an Amaj9 be A C# E G# B?

I don’t understand what the F# and D# are doing here.

Thanks.


Boston 118 PE

Working On
Chopin Nocturne 72.1
Bach Goldberg Aria
Bach WTC Prelude D min
Piazzolla Invierno Porteno
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: cmb13] #2771677
10/11/18 11:33 PM
10/11/18 11:33 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,918
Victoria, BC
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
BruceD  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,918
Victoria, BC
Originally Posted by cmb13
Another question - wouldn’t an Amaj9 be A C# E G# B?


It would be, if it were an arpeggio.

Originally Posted by cmb13
I don’t understand what the F# and D# are doing here.
Nor do I, not if we are talking about an arpeggio - in the traditional sense. That's why I think we are talking about three-note broken chords.

Looking at any examination syllabus that requires playing arpeggios as part of the technical requirements, one is required to play:
major: A, C-sharp, E, A ... (etc.) - for four octaves
minor: A, C, D, A ... (etc...) for four octaves
dominant: A, C-sharp, E, G, A ... (etc.) for four octaves
diminished: A, C, D-sharp, F-sharp, A ... (etc.) for four octaves

four-note broken chords, on the other hand:
A, C-sharp, E, A; C-sharp, E, A, C-sharp; E, A, C-sharp E, A, C-sharp, E, A; etc., etc.

Regards,



BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771719
10/12/18 05:09 AM
10/12/18 05:09 AM
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 802
Moscow, Russia
I
Iaroslav Vasiliev Online content
500 Post Club Member
Iaroslav Vasiliev  Online Content
500 Post Club Member
I

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 802
Moscow, Russia
Indeed. Those notes are not part of Amaj9 and all this stuff is hardly the chords. What is this A F# E? Asus6 ?
I think it's just a passage.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: ArtVandalay7] #2771748
10/12/18 07:30 AM
10/12/18 07:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
P
prout Offline
4000 Post Club Member
prout  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
P

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.

Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: prout] #2771854
10/12/18 01:24 PM
10/12/18 01:24 PM
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 802
Moscow, Russia
I
Iaroslav Vasiliev Online content
500 Post Club Member
Iaroslav Vasiliev  Online Content
500 Post Club Member
I

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 802
Moscow, Russia
Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.
Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

I think it is our responsibility to correct an incorrect information, so no one reading this would be confused or would learn incorrect things.

Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: prout] #2771869
10/12/18 01:59 PM
10/12/18 01:59 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,819
Florida
cmb13 Online content
Silver Level
cmb13  Online Content
Silver Level

Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,819
Florida
Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.

Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.


Well, the title of the thread is about arpeggios, and the question specifically refers to an Amaj9 arpeggio

Originally Posted by ArtVandalay7
.............For example, I have been struggling a bit with the fingering for a rapid descending Amaj9 arpeggio:

A F# E
F# E D#
E D# B
D# B A
B A F#,
repeat...
..........


and I wondered if there was something I was missing here. I'm not an expert...maybe there's something I don't get, or maybe the OP didn't know, or maybe it was a typo. It doesn't matter, I'm glad he got the answers he needed.


Boston 118 PE

Working On
Chopin Nocturne 72.1
Bach Goldberg Aria
Bach WTC Prelude D min
Piazzolla Invierno Porteno
Re: Arpeggio technique question [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2771878
10/12/18 03:03 PM
10/12/18 03:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
P
prout Offline
4000 Post Club Member
prout  Offline
4000 Post Club Member
P

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,448
Southwestern Ontario
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by prout
I think you all are missing the point of the OP’s question. Art wanted a fingering. He got one.
Start a separate thread on arpeggio theory.

I think it is our responsibility to correct an incorrect information, so no one reading this would be confused or would learn incorrect things.
I agree, but I also think that we can extend our concepts encompass larger groups of sounds that might fit a given definition. I will have more to say with examples.


Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Petrof
(ad)
Sweetwater - Keyboards
Sweetwater
ad
Jazz Piano Online
Jazz Piano Lessons Online

New Topics - Multiple Forums
Help, pain when playing the piano!
by Hengsen10. 01/21/19 01:18 AM
Piano Layout/Piano Size
by adamjh. 01/21/19 01:12 AM
Gator case for Yamaha P-515?
by ec. 01/20/19 10:48 PM
A visit to Guitar Center
by MacMacMac. 01/20/19 08:27 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums40
Topics189,704
Posts2,784,220
Members92,171
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Please Support Our Advertisers
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

PianoTeq Petrof
Piano Buyer Spring 2018
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2018 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2