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Hi all.

I began piano study in January of 1961, And I have all of my old recital pieces except for one. I made the mistake of letting one of my students borrow it, and you know the rest of the story. I never saw it again. I’m hoping someone will have it in their library of old pieces. The name of the piece is Roman Rhapsody and it was written by Benjamin Wermel.
Can anyone help me?
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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
The name of the piece is Roman Rhapsody and it was written by Benjamin Wermel.

"Romany":
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Romany (i.e. gypsy), very different from Roman.


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Thank yiu to both Tyrone and John. I stand corrected. I am looking for Romany Rhapsody. It has only been 56 years since I saw the piece of music.
That being said does anyone know how I can obtain a copy of Romany Rhapsody by Benjamin Wermel?
Tyrone, I do not know how you found what you sent me so rapidly.

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Well, I’m glad you find that funny, but it’s not helping me find my long lost recital piece at all.

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Now that you know the name, the, composer, and the publisher you can post queries to all the used book and music sites and set alerts for auction sites. One will float by eventually. Meanwhile, continue to scour 2nd hand stores and rummage sales.


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Malkin,
You’ll probably find this funny. I continue my quest for my long list recital piece, Romany Rhapsody, which I think was his greatest teaching piece. I found a collection of assorted teaching pieces and it includes one by Mr. Wermel. If I remember correctly it is Circus of the Fleas. That in itself is funny enough, but you’ll like this. It also contains a piece called Gay Gaucho! LOL
Thank you for your very good suggestions on finding my particular piece

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Well, I stand corrected again. The Benjamin Sermel piece I was mentioning is Circus of the Fleas.
Wermel’s Music publisher was Boston Music.
That company is extinct.
Did some company buy his stock of piano music?
I picture the piece I’m looking for inside an old piano bench with storage space under the lid which opens upward. It will be worn, dogeared, scruffy around the edges, and with pencil markings everywhere, but, hey! I’ll take it in any condition.

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I doubt if there was much stock. Anyway, from the image above it looks like your piece was published as a single, which means that you can search for it by name which may help.

Here's an obscure site where you can post a request:
https://www.piano-tuners.org/music/selling_music.html


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Yes, I have been searching for it by name. It was a single sheet. It’s weird that his composition Dance, Sailir, Dance is readily available, as is Mexican Carnival, but nothing else. Thank you for your help.

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
Yes, I have been searching for it by name. It was a single sheet. It’s weird that his composition Dance, Sailir, Dance is readily available, as is Mexican Carnival, but nothing else. Thank you for your help.


I have found several other Wermel pieces on eBay
I would suggest that you create a search for ‘Wermel, Benjamin’ on the eBay website and save the search. You will get an email when there are new listings.


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Thank yiu, dogperson.
I didn’t know one could do that. I will go to mediately.
I have purchased his Mexican Carnival and Dance, Sailir, Dance, and they are delightful teaching pieces, but they don’t begin to compare with Romany Rhapsody. I think Romany Rhapsody is the zenith of his teaching compositions. I felt like I was at Carnegie Hall when I performed that piece.
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Well, if anyone comes across Romany Rhapsody by Benjamin Wermel would you please let me know?
Thank you everybody for your help.

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
Well, if anyone comes across Romany Rhapsody by Benjamin Wermel would you please let me know?

If all else fails, there always is THIS.


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Tank you, dogperson. I have placed my search on eBay as you suggested.
Tyrone, thank yiu also. I had been toying with the idea of going to the LOC.
One thing that amazes me is his other teaching pieces. They are all so different from Romany Rhapsody that I find it difficult to believe that he wrote Romany Rhapsody. He was really inspired the day he wrote Romany Rhapsody."
Here’s hoping it will turn up some day soon.
I can still play the dramatic introduction perfectly from memory, but after that a group of 4 sixteenth notes take us to the next section. I can even play those 4 16th notes and then I go blank. I can’t even remember the ending.
I would like to thank everyone who has tried to help me.

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
Tyrone, thank yiu also. I had been toying with the idea of going to the LOC.

I wasn't suggesting you go yourself as I assumed you were not in DC, or else you would already have gone. Cheaper than an airline ticket for yourself would probably be to hire someone off of HERE to go in your stead and scan a copy of this in the main reading room. Or if you want to try to find someone already with a LOC pass, you could post an ad either on the same place or on UpWork.com.


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By “going to the LOC” I meant taking my search next to the LOC via the internet.
Do you think calling or writing a letter might help, or is that simply a place where one must go to do your own searching?

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
By “going to the LOC” I meant taking my search next to the LOC via the internet.
Do you think calling or writing a letter might help, or is that simply a place where one must go to do your own searching?

I am mostly in DC these days and have spent almost 30 yrs in this area in total, so I've been to LOC about half a dozen times, the last time a few years ago. Things may have changed in just the last 3-4 years, but previously I never found searching on the internet for LOC holdings/collection to be helpful. LOC is sort of a place where you just need to go to the main reading room and do your stuff there. Your mileage might vary though. (Although if LOC holdings were so accessible electronically, you would have already found your item, no doubt)


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Found it listed here:
http://www.albertketelbey.org.uk/catalogue/data/piano.htm

Per the listing,it is in The Light Music Society library , although I am not seeing it listed.


http://lightmusicsociety.com/the-library/

You might contact the original lister as well as the society. It was originally published by Bosworrh as a piano arrangement of an orchestral piece. Another clue


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Originally Posted by dogperson
Found it listed here:
http://www.albertketelbey.org.uk/catalogue/data/piano.htm

Per the listing,it is in The Light Music Society library , although I am not seeing it listed.


http://lightmusicsociety.com/the-library/

You might contact the original lister as well as the society. It was originally published by Bosworrh as a piano arrangement of an orchestral piece. Another clue

I have the strange feeling this is not the same "Romany Rhapsody" the OP is searching for. There seems to be at least 3 works by that name. For example, here is one by Max Kester copyrighted in 1939. The one you are referencing above appears to be by the composer, Albert Ketelbey, who died in 1959 and published a number of works with the publisher, Bosworth & Co, Ltd. The OP's work was by Benjamin Wermel.


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BTW, a rendition of an earlier piano solo version of Albert Ketelbey's Romany Rhapsody, called With The Roumanian Gypsies - Phantasie, can be found here, in case the OP recognizes this as the version he was seeking:


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OK, let me (the OP) try to clear up some of the confusion and save a lot of people a lot of time.

1. The title of my search should be, “Long Lost Recital Piece”.
2. It is a teaching piece, and I memorized and performed it after one year of study.
3. I have the saved recital program showing that I performed Romany Rhapsody composed by Benjamin Wermel - no other composer possible. If you will note the original response from Tyrone Slothrop he provides a copy from somewhere showing a list of First and Secobd grade pieces, Arpeggio and Broken Chord Pieces, along with Recital Pieces. There is listed the beginners piece that I learned. Believe me when I say this could have never been originally an orchestral piece.
4. So, i am definitely looking for Romany Rhapsody composed by Benjamin Wermel and published by the Boston Music Company.
5. The back of my piece of music probably looked identical to the photocopy provided to us by Tyrone.
Thank you very much, Tyrone.
Thank you to all of you.
We may just happen upon this piece by some stroke of luck.

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
We may just happen upon this piece by some stroke of luck.

As mentioned, high likelihood this will be at the LOC. Back in the 50's/60's publishers (like Boston Music Company) were much more diligent about sending one copy of every published work to the LOC, than publishers are nowadays. In the Main Reading Room, with the permission of the research librarian, you'll be able to snap a pic of it if on microfilm/microfiche, or snap a cameraphone pic of the pages if it is only in physical form. Obviously other ways of obtaining this might be easier/cheaper, but you should consider this as a last ditch measure.


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Oh, to have a mole in DC.
I found another place to search. New York City’s Library of Performing Arts.

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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
Oh, to have a mole in DC.


https://www.loc.gov/rr/main/inforeas/researchers.pdf


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Originally Posted by Turnthepage!
Oh, to have a mole in DC.

https://www.loc.gov/rr/main/inforeas/researchers.pdf

Good catch, malkin. Hiring someone who already has the proper LOC researcher credentials certainly beats my suggestion of finding someone on Craigslist to pay a visit to the LOC and apply for temporary credentials. With your link, I think we've given the OP all the tools he needs to replace his copy of the score for this piece, depending on his budget for this. All this thread needs to close it is a post from the OP on how he found his missing work, and can now rest. wink


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Whoa! I logged in to thank dogperson because I just received an email from eBay that a new Benjamin Wermel piece became available for sale on eBay.
I certainly was not expecting this incredible information from malkin.
Malkin, thank you so much! I appreciate your help.
I hope to close this thread soon.

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WOW! This is my lucky day.
I have an acquaintance in DC, and I sent him an email this afternoon asking if he ever goes to the LOC. He replied that he never has, but that he would go for me. So I hope very soon to be able to close this thread - The Phantom Thread.

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HELP! I need help. Is there a clinical psychologist available on here? I have started snapping up and collecting every vintage teaching piece by Benjamin Wermel that I find.
The good news is that it is only four so far. He writes excellent and delightful teaching pieces. I can see now what he is teaching in every piece he wrote.
But let me say once again, nothing compares to his Romany Rhapsody.
Thank you everybody. I’ll give you a heads up as soon as I am holding the music in my hand. I may even try to post a performance of it.

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Well, my collection of all things Benjamin Wermel came to a screeching halt. A piece came up on eBay this week and the seller was asking $30 for the teaching peace!
No thank you, I’m still holding out for Romany Rhapsody, and waiting to hear from my friend in DC.
I am amazed, however, at how frequently I get emails from eBay informing me that a new (old) Wermel piece is up for sale.

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