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Interesting, now I'm glad I didn't buy LX-7 yet, gonna save up and take 706 I think. Looks awesome, although it's again PHA-50 only longer, which probably means it will have the same problems as PHA-50.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Interesting, now I'm glad I didn't buy LX-7 yet, gonna save up and take 706 I think. Looks awesome, although it's again PHA-50 only longer, which probably means it will have the same problems as PHA-50.


I found the PHA-50 to be quite nice but I only played it for a very short time on a show room. It is noisy, but, apart from that. what problems have you found? With the longer pivot and if Roland provides proper noise damping and insulation on these new models, this action might become a serious option for a top-end DP....

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Spec for the LX708 says

Key cover: Fallboard type, with Keyboard Lid Switch

The same as the LX7 or the LX17?


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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Spec for the LX708 says

Key cover: Fallboard type, with Keyboard Lid Switch

The same as the LX7 or the LX17?


Fallboard type means with hinged key cover, based on the videos/images of the 708. Therefore, similar to the LX17. Therefore, no control panel cover. Right?

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Originally Posted by arc7urus
[quote=Nordomus]I found the PHA-50 to be quite nice but I only played it for a very short time on a show room. It is noisy, but, apart from that. what problems have you found? With the longer pivot and if Roland provides proper noise damping and insulation on these new models, this action might become a serious option for a top-end DP....

If you are interested we covered this subject recently again here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-rattle-on-roland-hp605.html#Post2761895

PHA-50 is great action overall but it has some stupid flaws in design smile

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Hmm pha50 never struck me as being unacceptably short. Hopefully they haven't sacrificed action feel for stats in the way it could be posited that yamaha did with the grandtouch. (I know it has a few fans but many do not seem to be all that keen on it from what I've read). The new action looks particularly lengthy from the picture.

The LX705 seems to be a slight adjustment of the range, with the successor to the HP605 (?) now being considered an LX 'luxury' piano.

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I just hope the key repetition is faster, as Roland has the worst actions for this technique, it simply cant keep up with a fast repetition, I mean I used to own a RD800, hp307 and 507 and all of them would drop repeated notes here and there, very annoying, meaning pieces like la campanella were too frustrating to attempt. I tried a lx17 in a cambridge piano shop and I am pretty sure it still could not cope with fast repetition, I own a yamaha cp4 and have owned other yamaha models, even their basic GH keyboard has very fast repetition capabilities.

I wonder if Casio are due a new range now too, to their hybrid range.

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Originally Posted by mwf
I just hope the key repetition is faster, as Roland has the worst actions for this technique, it simply cant keep up with a fast repetition, I mean I used to own a RD800, hp307 and 507 and all of them would drop repeated notes here and there, very annoying, meaning pieces like la campanella were too frustrating to attempt. I tried a lx17 in a cambridge piano shop and I am pretty sure it still could not cope with fast repetition, I own a yamaha cp4 and have owned other yamaha models, even their basic GH keyboard has very fast repetition capabilities.

I wonder if Casio are due a new range now too, to their hybrid range.


The old Rolands you mention couldn't cope with fast repetition, but the LX7/17 are certainly more than capable. Will be interesting to see what difference the extra pivot length makes, if any.


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Guys I've read specs in more details and it seems LX-706 is LX-7 replacement and it also has slide keyboard cover so the function keys and display can be covered by it.

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Originally Posted by pold

Agreed, this is just excruciatingly annoying. For VST they can come up whenever they want, at least the price is ok. But for the digital actions, they can't keep changing it every 6 months. This is incredibly crazy, in this case profit is slowing progress. Real progress means having the chance to use VST in a digital piano without a laptop, having the chance to play with an action as good as a grand piano knowing that is going to stay the same for ever, having a chance to buy piano kits and replace faulty components by yourself, or having the chance to buy a laptop custom made only for VST.


I think this requires a change in perspective/approach. A DP is like a smartphone, PC or car. They get better every year. And they're nowhere near matching a real acoustic grand in terms of tone and presence (touch can mostly be achieved with hybrids, but not with compact actions).

I don't think the answer is to slow the rate of development for the sake of the people who previously purchased. IMO it's more along the lines of understanding what you what and realizing that it's just as good as when you made the decision to buy it. Eventually,you can upgrade, but most people don't get a new PC or car every year, and lots of people are transitioning their smartphone buying habits to upgrade less frequently as well.


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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Guys I've read specs in more details and it seems LX-706 is LX-7 replacement and it also has slide keyboard cover so the function keys and display can be covered by it.

Yes - that makes sense as the 708 replaces the LX17. Just hoping that the sound really is an improvement. Their video demo didn't seem that good quality. The sound was different but really didn't think much of the demonstration piece. If it was supposed to show that the guy could play fast, then yes, but...

As to the speed at which one should upgrade, well it depends on what you want and your priorities. I have a suspicion that we are getting to the stage where all the big improvements in digitals have already it taken place, in particular regarding key and pedal actions, polyphony and recording, and that getting ever closer to the sound of acoustics is going to prove a very slow, if not impossible process. So this could mean future upgrades could involve quite small improvements and lots of marketing hype of which the new Roland range could be a beginning.


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@Nordomus

That is an interesting thread you linked to, thank you. I had no idea Roland uses Grease in their actions. Is this a new thing? Perhaps beginning with the PHA50 action? Or have they used grease in their older actions as well? I was beginning to strongly favor Roland particularly for their actions (edit: and for their solid system stability as well), but this information has turned me off.

About the new models, they look interesting, but it seems to me like the core specs haven't changed all that much. The modeling engines sound similar to the old ones (except for the new names, they sound spectacular lol). The new action looks like the old PHA50 action, just with a longer key. Calling the new action "Hybrid Grand Keyboard" evokes images of the competitions' models which use real grand actions, and I think that is a little bit misleading if you ask me.

I guess the best thing about this is that the older models might get a price reduction after the new ones go to sale?

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Calling the new action "Hybrid Grand Keyboard" evokes images of the competitions' models which use real grand actions, and I think that is a little bit misleading if you ask me.


Can't really blame Roland here. Casio also calls one of their standard DP actions "Grand Hybrid Action."

Edit: Actually, they only call it that on some of their YT videos. It's actually the "Natural Grand Hammer Action" keyboard, which...at least doesn't have "Hybrid" in the name, even though the actual piano line does? smile


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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
@Nordomus

That is an interesting thread you linked to, thank you. I had no idea Roland uses Grease in their actions. Is this a new thing? Perhaps beginning with the PHA50 action? Or have they used grease in their older actions as well? I was beginning to strongly favor Roland particularly for their actions (edit: and for their solid system stability as well), but this information has turned me off.

AFAIK they always used grease.
It's used mostly in 3 places, and I'm 90% sure it's the same in the new keyboard:
https://imgur.com/a/d1oyJRz
The worst are 1 and 2. In 1 there is plastic pin on which key moves and on 2 there is "basket" with grease in it to smooth out key leverage and in both places there is problem with grease moving. In 1 it's worse because once grease moves it can't go back on it's own, on 2 it does go back because of gravity(grease is less dense). I didn't have much problems with 3.
Still, maybe they improved it somehow, I'm really curious and I'm anxious to try those pianos out.

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Thanks for that, really like the tone, although I always liked how Roland sounds smile

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
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Hoho, I see they took pains to get the silhouettes just right. Which unnamed grands could these possibly be? smile

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Less trivially, I do think the control panel has gotten much more refined and elegant.


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Also about the price I've found this: http://musicasatiendas.com/es/pianos-digitales/6558-roland-lx-706-piano-digital.html
So around 3000 euros for LX 706 CB version.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
New on YouTube today:


Insensitive soul that I am, it still sounds like a digital. I suspect the perceived realism will be apparent through the speaker system . . . .like it is with the LX17


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Originally Posted by peterws

Insensitive soul that I am, it still sounds like a digital. I suspect the perceived realism will be apparent through the speaker system . . . .like it is with the LX17

If Roland at least gave the option for some sampled instruments or sample/model hybrids, they would appeal to more buyers. I don't know if it's a cost issue or merely an issue of stubbornness.

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