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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2777611
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Its interesting that the American grand is supposed to be "bright and cut through a mix" whereas the European grand is the "warm" toned piano. I always thought it was the opposite and that European pianos are generally bright whereas American pianos favor a warm, round tone. Ah, well.

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Originally Posted by Grandman
Its interesting that the American grand is supposed to be "bright and cut through a mix" whereas the European grand is the "warm" toned piano. I always thought it was the opposite and that European pianos are generally bright whereas American pianos favor a warm, round tone. Ah, well.

Well I think Steinwey is one of the brightest pianos and it is the piano they modelled American one from.

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Do you mean Steinwey & suns? smile

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Do you mean Steinwey & suns? smile

Nope, Steinwey & duthers wink

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Originally Posted by Grandman
Its interesting that the American grand is supposed to be "bright and cut through a mix" whereas the European grand is the "warm" toned piano. I always thought it was the opposite and that European pianos are generally bright whereas American pianos favor a warm, round tone. Ah, well.

It's the opposite actually. European pianos are dark and heavy while America's bright and light

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Originally Posted by MrKaramba
European pianos are dark and heavy while America's bright and light


This may be true of the coffee, it may even be true of culture in general, but is it really true of pianos? Bluthner and Beckstein Vs American Steinway, for example? Perhaps.

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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2777772
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Steinwey still brighter for me, at least of those I heard.

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There are European and European. Take the TrueKeys pianos. The German (Bechstein) is mellow, the Italian (Fazioli), bright... and the American (Steinway) between them. Other Fazioli samples are bright too.


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I prefer the Balls and Dorfer (Imperial).

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A technician can voice one and same piano to be bright or mellow. Generalizations are rather useless, especially between vague things such as continents. European vs American sound? That’s a nonsense smile


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2777789
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But there is general tradition in piano making and European pianos tends to be mellower. However, it's all changing with time.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
A technician can voice one and same piano to be bright or mellow. Generalizations are rather useless, especially between vague things such as continents. European vs American sound? That’s a nonsense smile

I would't dismiss it at pure nonsense. I agree about the voicing having the the major impact of "bright" or "mellow" but there is certain difference in traditions I believe and Steinways are made slightly different depending on where they are made, Hamburg or New York..
http://www.chicpianos.com/steinway-new-york-vs-hamburg/?id=6

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Yes generalizations are bad but still what johanibraaten wrote- there are some distinctive piano characteristics, no matter what technician does(unless he replaces strings and soundboard wink

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The Roland App "Piano Every Day" mentioned in the videos (thanks for the links!) is not available yet, right? I am always interested in piano learning apps and this is supposed to have an integration to a music sheet service like the Simply Piano App from Joytunes.

I checked the US and DE Appstore from Apple. Anyone able to check Google Appstore?


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btw. Just Music in Germany already has prices (Thomann not yet): 4999€ for LX708 PE, white 300 more, non-PE black 1000 less. No stock yet.


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Is there any information on the FP-90 successor?

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Originally Posted by Nifrigel
Is there any information on the FP-90 successor?

Nope, not at the moment.

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Yeah this sounds good but I'd like to hear serious classical piece with better external microphone recording.

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Well they should take one of the greatest pianists for piano presentation wink

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Yeah this sounds good but I'd like to hear serious classical piece with better external microphone recording.

Likewise.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Well they should take one of the greatest pianists for piano presentation wink

+1

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Great presentation from Tony. Now looking for opinions of people who actually played on those new Pianos

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https://youtu.be/Qtst4N2mBU8
Another demo, although it is yet another improv or something frown Still you can hear dynamic range at times.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
https://youtu.be/Qtst4N2mBU8
Another demo, although it is yet another improv or something frown Still you can hear dynamic range at times.


Not terribly impressed by his choice of music. Listened to a comparison of Roland DP, HP and LX afterwards and actually preferred that sound. But maybe that was because I have the LX7.


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That's the case probably, I figure LX-7 sounds much better in person as well.

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Slightly OT but did anyone else (from germany) notice that the HP605 is not that availiable anymore since some time? Cant find it on Thomann-site for example. I was thinking of getting that one, since, as much as a LX705 would be cool, I dont think I can negotiate anyone below €2000 for that one^^.

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Originally Posted by Markuska
Slightly OT but did anyone else (from germany) notice that the HP605 is not that availiable anymore since some time? Cant find it on Thomann-site for example. I was thinking of getting that one, since, as much as a LX705 would be cool, I dont think I can negotiate anyone below €2000 for that one^^.

Well LX-705 is for 2060 euro in this shop smile https://nebout-hamm.com/boutique/piano-roland-lx705/

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