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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2775236
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She doesn't play 708 frown Oh well it's too loud there anyway. Thanks for video smile

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
She doesn't play 708 frown Oh well it's too loud there anyway.


Indeed, this is the musical instrument exhibition I visited last weekend.

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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Nordomus] #2775334
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Yeah I've been looking for you in this video smile


You won't see James mixing with the hoi polloi. He's swifted in via limousine before it's open to the general public. He is digital piano royalty after all.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: EssBrace] #2775337
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
He's swifted in via limousine before it's open to the general public.


Limousine? Don't be silly.

I took the company helicopter.


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He's swifted in via limousine before it's open to the general public.


Limousine? Don't be silly.

I took the company helicopter.


Doh! Of course!


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: sh1] #2775347
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Originally Posted by sh1
That price is excluding VAT, sadly!


They sell to education facilities only (schools etc).


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
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That price is excluding VAT, sadly!


They sell to education facilities only (schools etc).

Ok thanks for the info. Didn't notice that.

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
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That price is excluding VAT, sadly!


They sell to education facilities only (schools etc).


Are you sure? I and my youngest son bought Roland digitals from them. Admittedly this was 2002 so maybe they have changed their operation since then.


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Check this out: https://www.facebook.com/RolandAUS/videos/944301962427650/
Recording is as it is but from what I can hear it sounds really nice, still better than official demos smile

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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
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That price is excluding VAT, sadly!


They sell to education facilities only (schools etc).


Are you sure? I and my youngest son bought Roland digitals from them. Admittedly this was 2002 so maybe they have changed their operation since then.


It's stated in the website header - probably this price is education only.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2777177
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Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss

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Thank you for link, very nice demo, I love their piano presentations. I'd like to hear more recordings by microphone though.

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Also he says something very important, those pianos will be avaible this month on 28.10, not december, that is awesome smile

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: johanibraaten] #2777185
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Originally Posted by johanibraaten
Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss


Is it me or does the LX-708 sound more realistic (acoustic) in this video than in others? I don’t feel the digital sound to be as strong as in the other previous mentioned videos in this thread.

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It's not just you, I have no idea what Roland screwed up in their demos but this video from Boners sounds much better, also pianist is using much more of instrument's dynamic range.

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Originally Posted by Haruki

Is it me or does the LX-708 sound more realistic (acoustic) in this video than in others? I don’t feel the digital sound to be as strong as in the other previous mentioned videos in this thread.

I think so too, the European grand sounds pretty good to me. In the demos from Roland the mids sound really flat and plasticky but in this video it's sound much more expressive with a darker tone and a stronger root. I still find the mids sounding a little "clinical" though, do you know if Roland has something similar to Pianoteq's condition slider? I think that would be beneficial. The treble and bass sounds lovely in my ears.

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Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss

This is the sort of demo Roland should have issued!


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Originally Posted by johanibraaten
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Is it me or does the LX-708 sound more realistic (acoustic) in this video than in others? I don’t feel the digital sound to be as strong as in the other previous mentioned videos in this thread.

I think so too, the European grand sounds pretty good to me. In the demos from Roland the mids sound really flat and plasticky but in this video it's sound much more expressive with a darker tone and a stronger root. I still find the mids sounding a little "clinical" though, do you know if Roland has something similar to Pianoteq's condition slider? I think that would be beneficial. The treble and bass sounds lovely in my ears.


There isn't a global feature as far as I can tell but I assume, like on the LX17, you can change the tuning, volume and character of every single note independently. So if you want it to sound like a honky-tonk you can. The beauty of modeling is you can detune the note and all the associated resonances without any of the artefacts you get when you stretch or speed up a sample.

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Here's another one. Nice music examples in this one:
https://youtu.be/aM9x8J0PoLY

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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
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Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss

This is the sort of demo Roland should have issued!


I beg to disagree. Doesn't sound convincing to me at all, dull and with a slightly metallic sustain to the tone in the middle, although the bass seems to be spot on.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss

This is the sort of demo Roland should have issued!


I beg to disagree. Doesn't sound convincing to me at all, dull and with a slightly metallic sustain to the tone in the middle, although the bass seems to be spot on.


And I disagree with you but that is your opinion. I think all three of the demos are much better than the Roland ones.


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Originally Posted by Doug M.
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That price is excluding VAT, sadly!


They sell to education facilities only (schools etc).


Are you sure? I and my youngest son bought Roland digitals from them. Admittedly this was 2002 so maybe they have changed their operation since then.


It's stated in the website header - probably this price is education only.


Yes - possibly the education price but they say
Chamberlain Pianos has been advising discerning individuals and educational institutions on the purchase of digital and acoustic pianos since we opened our doors in 1990.
So not just educational.


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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
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Originally Posted by johanibraaten
Here's a demonstration of the LX-708 from Bonners music (I don't know how to embed it...)
https://youtu.be/F37I7O-_fss

This is the sort of demo Roland should have issued!


I beg to disagree. Doesn't sound convincing to me at all, dull and with a slightly metallic sustain to the tone in the middle, although the bass seems to be spot on.


And I disagree with you but that is your opinion. I think all three of the demos are much better than the Roland ones.


I am with CyberGene on this one, more so in the American grand which I like less, there is also still a bit of that thinness and harshness to the tone. Prolonged listening would become fatiguing I suspect (for me anyway). There is a bit of that synthesised character too, too much of the perfect Sine wave as it were. Anyway, a bit of extra body to the tone wouldn't hurt.

I must admit, I find it hard warm to these sound demos. I see a pattern developing here

The DNA of sound modelling still dictates the sound signature to a large degree and it still sounds like a Roland. Not dissimilar to the previous LX/HPseries. Sure enough the American and European sound different, but at the same it is as if the sounds come from a common sound generator, that has been tweaked slightly form the previous range, much like a pianoteq 5 to 6 sort of change perhaps.


All IMO of course.

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Still- I liked previous modeling sound very much but... in person. For some reason most demos of both this and previous Roland pianos don't do them justice.

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Originally Posted by DazedAndConfused

There isn't a global feature as far as I can tell but I assume, like on the LX17, you can change the tuning, volume and character of every single note independently. So if you want it to sound like a honky-tonk you can. The beauty of modeling is you can detune the note and all the associated resonances without any of the artefacts you get when you stretch or speed up a sample.

Thank you, I will check it out when I have the possibility to try these new Roland's. I'm not very experienced with modeled sound engines but it is very interesting and promising for sure. Now It's time for some practicing on my 15 year old Yamaha P-120:)

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