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As both scales share the same notes, it is probably an exercise that helps you change between the major and minor key by using different roots / tonal centers (Bb and Cm) over the chord changes. Maybe you can create that subtle difference in your playing.

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I love Jamey and everything he has done for jazz education but I don't think his improv method is the best.

He focusses on scales only and not how to construct melodies.

An analogy would be trying to learn a new language by just studying the alphabet. There is no consideration given to forming words and how to use those words.

Here's the basic concept:

1. Play chord tones on strong beats (1 and 3 in 4/4 time) with an emphasis on using guide tones, 3 and 7 of the chord of the moment.

2. Extend lines from these notes using scale passages (stepwise motion) and arpeggios (skipping motion).

3. Thread your line at chord changes by using approach patterns. Approach patterns are 2-4 note melodic cells that serve to resolve your line to the chord of the moment.

There is a lot more to it than that but having the concept in your head will help dramatically.

Please watch my free lesson demonstrating this concept using Hank Mobley's solo over rhythm changes.

http://bit.ly/2Nlajvc

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Thanks, but no awnser to my question. Should the C-dorian scale fit over the Bb Major track? It might be, but my ears says no. Why is it written in the book?

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Originally Posted by JazzPianoOnline
I love Jamey and everything he has done for jazz education but I don't think his improv method is the best.

He focusses on scales only and not how to construct melodies.


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Once upon a time I analyzed minute by minute his video "Anyone can Improvise", and found that there is a sharp jump between explanations and playing of chord scales , and improvisation itself ;incomprehensible to a beginner (20:51 ) .

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Thanks Nahum, that is a clear awsner to my question.

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Bb major and C Dorian are the same notes, just from a different perspective, so yes they both fit over that track, one with Bb as 'home' and one with C as 'home'. If your ear doesn't think C Dorian fits then you either just don't like that slightly minor suspended sound it gives over Bb major chords or you need to listen to more jazz to train your ear up a bit more. Given that you initially couldn't hear the chord change in that track it's probably a bit of the latter.

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Originally Posted by GoldmanT
Bb major and C Dorian are the same notes, just from a different perspective, so yes they both fit over that track, one with Bb as 'home' and one with C as 'home'. If your ear doesn't think C Dorian fits then you either just don't like that slightly minor suspended sound it gives over Bb major chords or you need to listen to more jazz to train your ear up a bit more. Given that you initially couldn't hear the chord change in that track it's probably a bit of the latter.


Many Thanks. I do indeed find C- over the Bb Major less appealing. Ear training is for life, i supose :-)

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If you're just playing the whole scale up and down then it might not sound so great.

If you try something like C Eb D G Eb G Bb that kind of balances between the chord tones (Bb D F A) and the extensions/suspensions (C Eb G).

I've not listened to the backing track in detail but when the bass moves to F the backing may well be playing a C minor chord. If so the chord tones then become C Eb G Bb and the extensions/suspensions become D F A. So just mix it up and see what works.

C-/F is quite an esoteric chord for a beginner to work with, because the F isn't a chord tone of the C minor chord, but just go with it for now. smile


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